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| | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | (...) Boy oh boy, you called that right, and C3PO's not much better. I'm surprised they made it past the QC department. I think a cooler set would have been a full-scale bust or helmet offered as a special model, like The Statue of Liberty or the (...) (24 years ago, 25-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Eric Kingsley
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| | | | | | (...) The only thing I like about C-3PO is they got his legs right. He has a silver leg! Eric Kingsley (24 years ago, 25-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Eric Joslin
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| | | | | (...) I don't get it either. It definitely is ugly, and I agree, I wouldn't have been able to guess what it was if a third-grader showed me and made me guess. I guess I don't understand any of these technic maxi-figures. I bought a Battle Droid to (...) (24 years ago, 25-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —James Simpson
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| | | | | | | (...) My wife suprised me with the Pit Droid last Valentine's Day, and while I really like it for sentimental reasons, I've done just about nothing with the parts. I like to think of myself as "old school" in regards to Technic, but I'm sure that (...) (24 years ago, 25-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Ronald Vallenduuk
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| | | | | | | | | Phew, that's a relief! Thought I was the only conservative left in Technic Lego... Duq "James Simpson" <jsimpson@rice.edu> wrote in message news:G30A3o.A1x@lugnet.com... (...) sure that (...) prefer good (...) plastic (...) of (...) someone (...) (...) (24 years ago, 26-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Maico Arts
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| | | | | | | | | | Well, you are not the only one. I think most of us who started with Technic for lots of yeasrs will feel this way... I do buy these sets though because I want to try to keep my technic collection complete... greetings (...) (24 years ago, 27-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Jennifer Clark
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| | | | | | | | | (...) I accept your point when it applies to some extreme examples of this, and I too sometimes find myself questioning the relevance of certain official lego models, but I do not see that this can be applied globally. Many of these parts (half (...) (24 years ago, 26-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —James Simpson
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) I admit that I am not an accomplished Technic builder by any means; I suppose that it is just a matter of preference on my part. I do think that the range of new connecting pieces is very useful and quite overdue. I just don't care much for (...) (24 years ago, 26-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Jason Rowoldt
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| | | | | | | | | | Yep, I agree. I actually don't but technic anymore just for the reason that these beam pieces are not LEGO enough. The main pieces they use are the L-shaped studless beam mentioned above. They also use way too many rods and those giant molded (...) (24 years ago, 26-Oct-00, to lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Joakim Olsson
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| | | | | | | | (...) of (...) I know how you feel. Same here.. That brings up an interesting question, I wonder what people said when someone invented the wheel? "Oh no, not another specialised piece to handle... How to use that ugly thingy in my boat.." Are we (...) (24 years ago, 27-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | (...) Man, you guys are tough critics! I'm no SW expert, but I don't think it really looks *that* bad. Here's a frame from SW:Ep4 for comparison -- (URL) (24 years ago, 26-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Shiri Dori
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| | | | | | | | | (...) what the threaad was all about and saw the original set. ;-)... and even then it took another view of the frame to get it. ;-) I'd say you proved a point, Todd, at least to me. ;-) I'm no fan of technic, and no major-fan of SW (went to see the (...) (24 years ago, 26-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Eric Joslin
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) !!!! I think you may have missed Todd's point. Anyway, I finally put my finger on what really bugs me about these atrocities, thanks to that picture... they look more like (everyone's favorite Stormtrooper ripoff) *Cylons* than Stormtroopers. (...) (24 years ago, 26-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Mark Sandlin
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| | | | | | | | | | | Hey! Don't insult Cylons like that! ~Mark (24 years ago, 26-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Eric Joslin
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Eh? Which? That they're ripoffs of Stormtroopers, or that the Technic Stormtrooper looks like a Cylon? eric (24 years ago, 26-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Jason S. Mantor
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Some of both I'm sure : ) (...) (24 years ago, 26-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Mark Sandlin
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Yeah, I know BG bears more than a passing resemblance to SW, but the Cylons were a cool design anyway, and way better looking than that Technic abomination, IMHO ~Mark "Muffin Head" Sandlin (24 years ago, 26-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Eric Joslin
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) More than a passing resemblance? It was a conscious effort to capitalise on SW's popularity. Production notes from the development of the series bear this out. Not that this is *necessarily* a bad thing, mind you. I actually kinda like BG (...) (24 years ago, 26-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) ...which was to prove Eric's original point, which I heartily agree with. :-) Here's the original for comparison: (URL) They look the same. ;-) (...) Ahh -- yes! Not that there's anything wrong with Cylons. :-) (...) I think they were (...) (24 years ago, 26-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Jonathan Wilson
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) I am really looking forward to this set, not as a set but as a parts pack. Its the only set to date that has the small decorative panels in white. It also has a number of other parts in white and some in black. Plus its the only set that has (...) (24 years ago, 26-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Jeremiah VanderMark
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) I agree. As a rabid mecha fan, I look at those little ball-joint pieces and such and see a great array of mecha parts. I personally can't wait. (...) Ok, that's just weird ;) -Jeremiah- "Achitecture isn't about beauty of design or integration (...) (24 years ago, 26-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Selçuk Göre
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Hmm... Can we call it some kind of fetishism?..:-) Selçuk (24 years ago, 27-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Paul Gyugyi
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Two white throwbot feet are in the Mindstorms R2D2 Droid Developers kit. You'll enjoy it more than swiping the crotch off a stormtrooper. -gyug (...) (24 years ago, 28-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Eric Kingsley
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| | | | | | | | | | In lugnet.starwars, Todd Lehman writes: <snip> (...) I think thats probably as close as you are going to get to what happened. I have a feeling these will be on clearence in no time. (...) No thats saying something comming from you!!! (...) Agreed, (...) (24 years ago, 26-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Josh Opotzner
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) Indeed, I'm glad they didn't mess it up like Boba Fett. I think it's quite the object many people dreamed of being produced after ep. 4 came out :) (...) I agree, but hey, don't we all need 20 TIE fighters anyway?:) (...) Hey! How would *you* (...) (24 years ago, 26-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) LOL!!!! --Todd (24 years ago, 26-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Eric Joslin
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| | | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Eric Kingsley
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| | | | | | | | (...) I think TLC is just trying to milk the contract with Lucas for all it's worth and I think they have found the Technic line a bit of a hard fit, which I bet they didn't expect. I am a hugh SW fan but none of this Technic SW stuff has interested (...) (24 years ago, 26-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Ronald Vallenduuk
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| | | | | | | | | Almost completely agree. I just think the battle droid is an awesome bit of engineering. The other droids are overpriced merchandising. Then again, what do you expect when paying for two badges? Duq (...) worth (...) bet (...) has (...) (24 years ago, 26-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Steve Bliss
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| | | | | | | | (...) I agree with you about C3P0 and the Stormtrooper, but I thought the EP1 droids were very cool, especially since the droids in the movie had some resemblance to Technic. :) And LEGO had never made 10" tall figures before (to my knowledge). (...) (24 years ago, 26-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Selçuk Göre
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| | | | | | (...) I completely agree. They are plain ugly and utterly disappointing. And I can't see any mechanical functions other than the stupid launching thing in the hands of trooper. They don't have even the elegance/close resemblance of the same series (...) (24 years ago, 26-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Eric Joslin
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| | | | | (...) And I meant to say, when I was a kid, I thought Stormtroopers were robots. Heh. Hey! I was, like, 4! Gimmee a break! eric (24 years ago, 25-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Jason Maxwell
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| | | | | | (...) I think I was older before I figured out that there were real people in Stormtroopers... (Never mind the fact that Luke and Han get in the suits, obviously they just ripped the panels off the robots! Yeah, that's it...I was an idiot when I was (...) (24 years ago, 26-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Eric Joslin
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| | | | | | (...) Well, heck, there was a real person in C-3PO as well, so I think we can be forgiven... (...) Yeah! I'll never forget when it finally dawned on me... it was an issue of Marvel's Star Wars title that made it fairly painfully clear. I don't (...) (24 years ago, 26-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Andrew Todd Amacher
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| | | | | (...) I'm not impressed with the designs either, but what does interest me is that there appears to be a new kind of Throwbot compatible piece in those sets. Look closely at the elbows and wrists of the stormtrooper. I'm guessing that its a Slizer (...) (24 years ago, 25-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic, lugnet.build.mecha)
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| | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Tony Hafner
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| | | | | | | (...) Ugh- more ball joints that won't hold any weight. Has anyone actually gotten a Throwawaybot to stand up after having played with it for 5 minutes? I found that the joints became about as floppy as a trailer hitch after even minimal use. -- (...) (24 years ago, 26-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic, lugnet.build.mecha)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Andrew Todd Amacher
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| | | | | | | | | (...) As a matter of fact I have. Furthermore, I build mecha that stand 8-9 in. tall over and over again (and mix and match joint combos often). Mark Sandlin and Ben Vaughn use those peices in their mecha on occasion too. Of course if youre (...) (24 years ago, 26-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic, lugnet.build.mecha)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —John Aronson
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) -*-They hold weight for me...quite nicely in fact (...) -*-I have too! I use pnumatic hoses and cellophane to support the joints(I don't actually need it, if the hoses are tight enough.) I use two double sided ones joined together one on each (...) (24 years ago, 26-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic, lugnet.build.mecha)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Brain Powered —Bryce McGlone
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) John, Brain Powered Mecha...very clean lines! Not really the direction I'm headed right now but cool none the less. I'm headed into the "tons o' crap way over the top" style, but I really like the arm of the Brain Powered model. Bryce McGlone (24 years ago, 27-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic, lugnet.build.mecha)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Bryce McGlone
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| | | | | | | | (...) Tony, I've been using two or three (and on my new mech four) together to make hip and shoulder joints that can hold 6-7 pounds. I use the "clip" sockets and not the flat feet type ones. Oh and like John says if you're talking about the throw (...) (24 years ago, 27-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic, lugnet.build.mecha)
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| | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Mark Koesel
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| | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Fredrik Glöckner
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| | | | | (...) resembles the Stormtrooper by only using Technic style elements. It's the same kind of building technique as eg. in the 8448 Technic Supercar. I'm sure no LEGO designers believe that an ordinary car has a body which is only outlined by (...) (24 years ago, 25-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | That's essentially how I see them. The Stormtrooper will be a great source of white Technic parts and C3P-0 has some interesting gold parts and gold decorated tiles. I don't find either design very appealing. Threepio works a little better because (...) (24 years ago, 25-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Bradley Dale
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| | | | | (...) Who says that just because it's technic, it has to be a machine? We can build anything we want with LEGO System- buildings, vehicles, animals, and even sculptures of people. Why is Technic so limited then? Yes, it has tradionally been an all (...) (24 years ago, 26-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Eric Joslin
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| | | | | | | (...) I have no problem with the fact that they made a non-machine. I have a problem with the fact that it bears nothing but the most passing of resemblences to a Stormtrooper. eric (24 years ago, 26-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | (...) It's not that -- it's that it doesn't look like a Stormtrooper. --Todd (24 years ago, 26-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)
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| | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Ran Talbott
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| | | | | | | (...) I dunno: seems like it'd be awfully drafty... Ran [Imagining a ring of minifig archers surrounding a Technic-walled castle, cackling "Haha! Baldur was right: it *is* just like shooting fish in a barrel!"] (24 years ago, 26-Oct-00, to lugnet.technic, lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Mark Cogan
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| | | | | | | (...) [] Actually, my beef isn't that it doesn't look like a stormtrooper, or that it doesn't use beams, or that it's not a vehicle. It's that, as far as I can tell, it doesn't *do* anything. Technic, for me, has always been about building (...) (24 years ago, 26-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Information on the 8485 Control Center II —Rob Doucette
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Information on the 8485 Control Center II —Gaurav Thakur
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Information on the 8485 Control Center II —Rob Doucette
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| | | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Fredrik Glöckner
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| | | | | | | | (...) How cool! That is just what I did when I was a child. I always compared Technic sets by the number of distinct working functions. I had almost forgotten this by now, and was happily reminded of this by your post. My fav model as a child was (...) (24 years ago, 27-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Ray Kremer
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| | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Geoffrey Hyde
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| | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Eric Kingsley
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| | | | | | | (...) Ahh but TLG's designers Arn't limited to the "currently available range of LEGO pieces". They can design new parts if needed. I think the main problem is the head and all that would have required is some sort of molded mask that looked like a (...) (24 years ago, 26-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Fredrik Glöckner
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| | | | | | | | (...) I don't understand this. You said that you liked the minifig Stormtrooper, which is basically a new mold and some new printed parts (I suppose). And you would also like a the larger Technic Stormtrooper to have new molds to make it look more (...) (24 years ago, 26-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Eric Kingsley
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| | | | | | | | | (...) No I am just suggesting a helmet. They did the head for R2-D2 in the Droid Developers kit... I am not suggesting a bunch of new parts, just one or two so the head looks right. As for would it still be LEGO? of course it would because LEGO (...) (24 years ago, 26-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Fredrik Glöckner
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) But the head of the R2-D2 is basically a quarter sphere, isn't it? Even with some printing on it, it is more generally useful than a Stormtrooper helmet would be. (...) I think it is a daring move from TLC to launch a set like this, which (...) (24 years ago, 26-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —James Simpson
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) Granted, but... (...) I'm not so sure that this is altogether Lego's philosophy now-adays; judging by all the POOPS (even in the SW sets to an unsettling degree), Lego's doesn't seem to have a lot of confidence in using the creative building (...) (24 years ago, 26-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Bryan Hodges
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Lego could've made some smaller quarter spheres, in two different sizes with printing for the eyes and mouth, and laid those over the front of the Stormtrooper head... that would have given it a more "realistic look" while keeping the parts (...) (24 years ago, 27-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | (...) I can't speak for Eric and I'm sure he'll answer anyway, but my $.02 is that I agree that probably no one could have done any better with current parts. But I also feel that just because that's true (assuming it is) doesn't mean that the set (...) (24 years ago, 26-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Fredrik Glöckner
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| | | | | | | | (...) I hear your comments on this, but honestly I don't understand your view. How is the Stormtrooper so much worse than the other Star Wars models? I mean, they are all just approximations of the real things, and even the UCS sets have flaws, or (...) (24 years ago, 27-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Eric Kingsley
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Well let me try and explain my point of view better with some examples. I look at set 7191 you don't have to tell me that its an X-Wing. The same goes for basically all the System Star Wars sets and even all the Technic Star Wars sets except (...) (24 years ago, 27-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Fredrik Glöckner
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Ah, so you're saying that the Pit Droid looks like a Pit Droid because virtually no other "gizmo" has the same looks? But the Stormtrooper, on the other hand, is basically a humanoid shape with a specific set of armour plates. Hence, as this (...) (24 years ago, 27-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Eric Kingsley
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) No thats not it. I agree with you that it is a harder form to accurately depict without creating new parts but if they could accurately depict a Stormtrooper or other character then I would be all for it. LEGO should not have avoided the (...) (24 years ago, 27-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Fredrik Glöckner
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) This is probably a major point where we disagree. While I'm no fan of Star Wars, I have seen the movies (and I have seen "Troops" :-) and as I have said before, I think the head of the LEGO Stormtrooper actually looks like a Stormtrooper. The (...) (24 years ago, 27-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Ahh, yes! That's how I feel too. My additional fear is that I wonder if they're planning some Saturday morning cartoon commercial where they show the Stormtrooper blasting poor Threepio to bits. Violence aside, there are two problems with (...) (24 years ago, 27-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Ray Kremer
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) No he's not. Ep1 C-3PO was bare circuits. And even though the beams and stuff on the set are black, you can clearly see the gold paneling. (24 years ago, 28-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Selçuk Göre
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) No, it is an Ep4-6 model. He has modeled as he having the cowlings, even with a silver cowling instead of golden on one of his legs. I thought that Todd was a "detail" man..:-) Selçuk (24 years ago, 30-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) All right, I stand corrected. I looked at the rickety hollow body and didn't look at the legs. --Todd (24 years ago, 30-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Steve Bliss
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) But this points out why the 2000 Technic droid sets 'worked': the EP1 droids were all skeletal and exposed mechanisms. Very TECHNIC-ish. The TECHNIC models were not accurate, strictly speaking. The bits were in the wrong places, the way they (...) (24 years ago, 31-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Eric Joslin
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) That sounds like a good plan to me, (...) To me, LEGO is about the imagination to create new things (or to find ways to represent things), not about the imagination to see pictures in the clouds. (...) Not really. I know an entire household (6 (...) (24 years ago, 27-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Fredrik Glöckner
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) It is pretty obvious to me that most real life shapes cannot be accurately modeled in LEGO bricks. To be able to enjoy LEGO building, one must have the imagination to recognize complex but common shapes (e.g. vehicles or characters) in the (...) (24 years ago, 28-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Eric Kingsley
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) <snip> (...) I am not sure exactly how Eric J. meant what he said to be taken but I read it as such... "not about the imagination to see something that isn't there" I think to at least a few of us we don't see a Stormtrooper. I know you see a (...) (24 years ago, 28-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Bryan Hodges
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | In lugnet.starwars, Eric Kingsley writes: <snip> (...) look at it the more it looks like a Stormtrooper. I think we should reserve judgement on these new sets until we can hold them in our hands and play with them... All we've got is a 2D (...) (24 years ago, 30-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) This is one of the greatest things about the variety of elements LEGO produces, IMHO -- there aren't (obviously) an infinite variety of LEGO shapes, but they've thought things through carefully enough to make a very decent variety that can (...) (24 years ago, 28-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —James Simpson
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| | | | | | | | | | In lugnet.starwars, Fredrik Glöckner writes: Sorry to interrupt here; Just a couple of observations/questions... (...) Reliable accuracy is indeed needed for both. Lego did very well with the Pit Droid, and I have all confidence that Lego could do (...) (24 years ago, 27-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Eric Joslin
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| | | | | | | | | (...) I can't answer for Todd, but I'll try and explain why I feel the Stormtrooper is not a good set. (...) It's not the building technique I have a problem with. I think that the Pit Droid, the Droideka, the Battle Droid, and even C-3PO *look* (...) (24 years ago, 27-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | (...) The other SW models look like SW ships and things. The Stormtrooper doesn't look like something from the SW universe. If you're told, "Hey, this is a Stormtrooper," you could say, "Ah, yes, OK, that looks like a Stormtrooper," but it doesn't (...) (24 years ago, 27-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Eric Joslin
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| | | | | | | | (...) I think, given the information from the Keiran (sp?) the Lego Direct Producer, the inclusion of the rubber projectile makes sense... when you have both sets, you can make the Stormtrooper shoot C-3PO and fly apart. Of course, this moves LEGO (...) (24 years ago, 27-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Fredrik Glöckner
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| | | | | | | (...) I hardly think so. The alternative would be to have new molds for the specific parts like the Stormtrooper helmet or hands or feet or... Do we want that? (I don't.) Another alternative would be to have large stickers or printed parts to make (...) (24 years ago, 26-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Eric Joslin
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| | | | | | (...) It doesn't matter if anyone out here could or couldn't do better. If LEGO couldn't do any better, they should have scrapped the model at the planning stage. It's an embarrassingly transparent attempt to slap something together, throw a Star (...) (24 years ago, 26-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Eric Kingsley
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| | | | | | | (...) Well seeing they are in the middle of filming EP2 I would bet the resources devoted to this sort of things arn't quite what they were. Eric Kingsley (24 years ago, 26-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Mark Cogan
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| | | | | | | | (...) I'd be amazed if the toy-marketing-spin-off department of Lucasfilm had anything to do with the production process of EP2; Approving (or not) this kind of toy is presumably exactly what they're paid to do. ---...--- Mark Cogan (...) (24 years ago, 26-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —James Simpson
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| | | | | | | (...) Judging by the volumes of Lucas-licensed plastic detritus (Jar-Jar pez dispenser, anyone?) that have been licensed, I'm not suprised that Lucas has allowed the Lego Cylon Soldier (I can't bring myself to acknowlege that it's supposed to be a (...) (24 years ago, 26-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | (...) I couldn't agree more!!! (...) Does Lucasfilm Licensing listen to complaints from fans? Maybe if enough people write and complain, they'll crack down on LEGO for making crap like this and it won't happen in 2002. (Well, I can dream, can't I?) (...) (24 years ago, 26-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Erik Olson
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| | | | | | | | Look out, Yoda is next. (24 years ago, 26-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Maybe they'll do a LEGO MindStorms motorized talking Yoda head! "Mmmmm, hep hep, hep hep. Luminous beings are we. Do, or do not. There is no try. Away put your weapon--I mean you no harm! Always buy more LEGO you must!" Master Yoda, you look (...) (24 years ago, 26-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Erik Olson
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| | | | | | | | | | heh heh... Who'll be the first to build Yoda out of the Statue of Liberty? Mindstorms Yoda: if there's a Droid Developer Kit and a Dark Side Developer Kit, what will they call this one? (24 years ago, 27-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Mark Koesel
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| | | | | | | | | | | Jedi Developer Kit "Erik Olson" <olsone@spamcop.net> wrote in message news:G32HB2.EJ@lugnet.com... (...) (24 years ago, 27-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Thomas Weigle
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) "As a Jedi Apprentice, build the model L3G0 Skywalker. Move up to Jedi Knight level and tackle Obi-Wan Kenobi. Then, as a true Jedi Master, try building Yoda..." T. --> thomas weigle | w.i.m.p. web: (URL) .iMMersE your soUL in LOVE. (24 years ago, 27-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Lindsay Frederick Braun
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) I don't know, but I'll put my $0.02 down on Tom Stangl to be the first one to buy multiple C-3PO's and build a Gold Champion car (those hubs are a problem though). (...) Kit, (...) 'Swamp Muppet Discovery Kit?' best Lindsay (24 years ago, 27-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Eric Lanteigne
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| | | | | | | | (...) True, true (like in the Wassup ad) There are several problems that now plagues the Technic Sets (yes I am a fan and yes I will own those two). First: where are the studs? This is how a Lego brick is recognized worldwide. Bring back the studded (...) (24 years ago, 29-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | | | (...) Vanishing from technic since at least 1996. It's okay, in my mind, as long as it all remains compatible. Duplo -> System -> Technic. (And -> Znap, but that's not exactly the same progression.) (...) So are the black connecter pegs technic? Or, (...) (24 years ago, 29-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)
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| | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Mark Koesel
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| | | | | | Given the great differences in set quality across the entire line of Star Wars Lego models, I don't see why there is such a big discussion over this particular set. Are we suggesting that the Technic stormtrooper is the only Star Wars set available (...) (24 years ago, 27-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Eric Joslin
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| | | | | | | (...) Because some of us think it is by far the most disappointing one of the lot? And moreover, I know at least a few of us think it's a thrown-together pile of nonsense, expected to sell because it's branded with the Star Wars name- and as Star (...) (24 years ago, 27-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —James Simpson
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| | | | | | | (...) It may be a nifty set, I don't know, but...it is not a reasonable representation of a Stormtrooper, IMO. I'm not much of a Technic fan anylonger, but had the Stormtrooper set had the quality , elegance, and reasonable accuracy of the Battle (...) (24 years ago, 27-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Selçuk Göre
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| | | | | | (...) First, Lego and Star Wars names on the same box had been a 20 year dream for me, which finally became true, so I will say a very strong NO to this one..:-) Besides, I don't agree that Lego is producing bad quality sets in Star Wars line. Lego (...) (24 years ago, 31-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Mark Koesel
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| | | | | | "Selçuk Göre" <ssgore@superonline.com> wrote in message news:39FE7102.EA9612...ine.com... [snip] (...) IMHO, the Technic line is for building things out of Technic pieces -- nothing less, nothing more. (24 years ago, 31-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Selçuk Göre
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| | | | | | (...) When I rechecked all the sets introduced under the name of "technic" (it has some clues in it isn't it?..:-) during the whole 22 years, I saw that I can't agree you. The whole idea behind the Lego is "building things out of pieces -- nothing (...) (24 years ago, 1-Nov-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Todd Lehman
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| | | | (...) Hey, maybe Threepio will unfold and stand up at the push of a button. ;-) (...) Threepio should have a target on his chest. --Todd (24 years ago, 26-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)
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| | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Greg Majewski
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| | | | (...) And his head should pop off if you hit it. [BTW: Anyone else think the Technic C3PO looks like a monkey?] (24 years ago, 26-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)
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| | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Erik Olson
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| | | | | (...) Did someone just turn up the "fun" knob? Imagine somewhere is a set designer, and a mischievous intern informs him of all the ways his model has been mocked... (24 years ago, 27-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)
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| | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Eric Kingsley
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| | | | | | (...) Actually this is one thread I really hope LEGO and the designer(s) involved do read, or at least catch wind of. Although LEGO will never admit to a screw-up like this one they can at least file it away and say internally "you know those LUGNET (...) (24 years ago, 27-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)
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| | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Martin Scragg
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| | | | | | Something that nobody seems to have brought up yet, what is the idea of having two different kneecaps? Martin (24 years ago, 27-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)
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| | | | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Martin Scragg
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| | | | | | Never mind, just took a look at the real thing and see that they are the same, strange! Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Scragg" <mnm@bigpond.net.au> To: <lugnet.starwars@lugnet.com>; <lugnet.technic@lugnet.com>; (...) (24 years ago, 27-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)
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| | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? — Kiernan Mathews
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| | | | (...) In lugnet.starwars, Greg Majewski writes: (...) As a representative of LEGO, I hope you understand that I must refrain from responding to the subjective comments (to which you are certainly entitled) in this string, but I will answer to the (...) (24 years ago, 27-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)
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| | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Eric Kingsley
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| | | | | (...) Kiernan, Cool! Thanks for letting us know you are out there. I completely understand you not being about to comment on the rest of the thread but I am glad you are reading it and I hope you know where some of us are coming from. LEGO and Star (...) (24 years ago, 27-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)
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| | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Fredrik Glöckner
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| | | | | (...) Cool function! I'm starting to like #8007 more and more. What I don't like too much, though, are the elements which are "stickered". Or perhaps the patterns are printed directly on the elements? I hope you're not flooded with mail after you (...) (24 years ago, 27-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)
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| | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Andy Lynch
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| | | | | Heheh... pretty cool. Now all we need is for someone to build a Chewbacca with a sling on his back to carry C-3PO around while he complains incessantly. :-) -Andy Lynch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kiernan Mathews" (...) (24 years ago, 27-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)
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| | | | | | Re: What is with the Technic Stormtrooper? —Eric Joslin
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| | | | (...) Cool. So I guess my suspicion that the Stormtrooper and C-3PO sets are meant to go together was accurate... after all, it was (off-screen) Stormtroopers that blew Threepio to bits on Cloud City... (...) I'm sure that we'll continue discussing. (...) (24 years ago, 27-Oct-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)
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