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How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —Richard Marchetti

White House 'lied about Saddam threat' (URL) A former US intelligence official who served under the Bush administration in the build-up to the Iraq war accused the White House yesterday of lying about the threat posed by Saddam Hussein. The claims (...) (21 years ago, 10-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —John Neal

(...) I believe that the perceived threat was never from the Iraqi military itself, but from the proliferation of WMD from SH's regime to terrorist elements such as Al Qaeda. JOHN (21 years ago, 10-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —Richard Marchetti

(...) Uh-huh. You have a link for that, John? I thought not...There is no proof to support any such allegations. That lack of proof is the very issue under discussion. The president spoke in terms of dead certainties and has come up empty-handed. (...) (21 years ago, 10-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —John Neal

(...) So you deny that SH supported terrorists? How about the little stipend he offered families to have them sacrifice their children as human incendiary devices? (...) "How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out?" Thanks for (...) (21 years ago, 10-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —Leonard Hoffman

(...) the point isn't who supported terrorists and who didn't. I mean, Bush Sr helped train Osama! Reagan helped fund the mujaheddin, the religious warriors who later evolved into the Taliban! And yes SH supported suicide bombers. But specifically (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —Pedro Silva

(...) There is no need or will to deny it; I at least won't bother. However, you'll find the gap between funding a sustained terrorist action and supplying WMD to those terrorists to be very, very wide. If you can link WMD and supporting terrorists (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —Mark Neumann

(...) I think the English know something about where arrogance will get you. Zulu wars, US revolution, Barbarian hordes to the north (Scottish). Something like that. I think we've got to learn yet. Mark (21 years ago, 10-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —Scott Arthur

(...) Blair is the British PM... not the English. (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —Scott Costello

(...) Tell you what froggy, if you want GWB thrown out, why not take a page from the California playbook. Obviously you feel very strongly that Bush has not been a good president, and your feelings run very deep. Why not start a campaign to recall (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —Bruce Schlickbernd

(...) I know of no mechanism for the voters to recall the president of the United States. Impeachment seems to be the only legal recourse. Yes, no? (...) Considering the long history of the United States, are you sure you wish to typify Gray Davis (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —David Koudys

In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Costello wrote: <snip> , that does not (...) But after all that wonderful astuteness, Scott, by what right did your president have to invade a foreign country? His reasons as he listed in every speech and in every (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —Mike Petrucelli

(...) Wait a minute. People can see that the US was missing some stuff for over 40 years and only recently found it but are complaining that we haven't found anything burried in the Iraqi desert after only a few months!? Color me confused. -Mike (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —David Koudys

(...) It was an example. I'm sure that if and when every single rock is turned over in Iraq that there will probably be some canisters of something that's been missing since around '91. That said, since this stuff is missing, it couldn't have been (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —Mike Petrucelli

(...) You assume that because the U.S. doesn't know where stuff in Iraq is that the Iraqi leadership did not know where the stuff is. Simply not finding anything is not proof that there is/was nothing to find, it only means we haven't found it. We (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —Richard Marchetti

(...) I'm not clear why this is unrelated -- it seems very related to me, and also an obvious example of the U.S.' very poor foreign policy as a whole. The other issue is shelf-life: it is my understanding that most of this stuff has lost its (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —Mike Petrucelli

(...) All of them. I hope in my lifetime all the politicians are gone and we reinstate the use of representatives. (...) Yeah but when over half the population believes the story and now "feels safe" you might as well bide your time. (...) Ok the (...) (21 years ago, 12-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —Dave Schuler

(...) But that's not the issue. The issue is that Bush, Rumsfeld, Powell, and Rice (among other admin officials and toadies) asserted that Saddam was an active and immediate threat with an active chemical/biological weapons program and an active (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —Larry Pieniazek

(...) Clearly all false... But I'm not sure he actually CLAIMED those things (what he did claim was bad enough in the lying department, though...), Dave! (...) I'm still in the "maybe" camp on that one, Dave! (...) As usual when discussing (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —Bruce Schlickbernd

(...) Or become a scofflaw and ignore it. Or rationalize rewriting the law for yourself (sometimes known as pushing the limit to see if it really is a limit): all posted speed limits are really five MPH faster than listed, or heck, this road is a (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —Dave Schuler

(...) You make a good distinction. In the interest of fairness and disclosure, I offer some documentation of my assertion: Dubya's speech on 10/7/03 included the following statements: re: active biological/chemical weapons program: (...) and a (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —Dave Schuler

(...) I failed to include my cite: (URL) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —Larry Pieniazek

(...) As to whether Harry Browne is running(2) again, let us hope not. Yes, some Libertarians lie/cheat/steal... but we don't claim to be perfect, just forgiven... er wait, wrong tagline, try that again.... but we are actively working to make the (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —Dave Schuler

(...) First you must demonstrate that it's obvious. Then you must demonstrate that it's biased. Then you must demonstrate that it's a source. (also riffing on that previous joke (for those joining us late)) (...) I confess that I'll miss him, (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —Richard Marchetti

It'd be great to blame Shrub for a lot of this, and I do, but let's be even more specific in what is being claimed. Leaving quotes and vaguely worded claims to the side, I am blame Shrub for a rush to judgment on a matter of considerable importance. (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —Richard Marchetti

More on blame obfuscation: CIA Got Uranium Reference Cut in Oct. Why Bush Cited It In Jan. Is Unclear (URL) CIA Director George J. Tenet successfully intervened with White House officials to have a reference to Iraq seeking uranium from Niger (...) (21 years ago, 13-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —Richard Marchetti

Another bit... MEMO TO COLIN POWELL (URL) MEMO TO COLIN POWELL: You'd think that as distinguished an old soldier as Colin Powell would know that when you find yourself in a hole, you stop digging. But that's the opposite of what the secretary of (...) (21 years ago, 13-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —Dave Schuler

(...) Here's a tidy compilation of most of my point: (URL) Dave! (21 years ago, 14-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —Richard Marchetti

(...) with those of its master. The 45 minute statement is a Blair thing: (URL) as noted earlier today. And as Kooties has noted elsewhere, the poodle and its master are meeting later in the week to get their mutual story straightened out and (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —Richard Marchetti

(...) I'm not really digging too many politicians lately, but let's at least keep in mind that the man is contending with one of the worst CA economies in a long time. He, like Shrub and the U.S. Congress, has done almost zero to better the (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —Richard Marchetti

(...) Mea culpa, I meant to say Guardian Unlimited. But I hold to the same logic. I read a diverse, international range of online sources. As long as it sounds like something more or less objective, I will read it and weigh it's significance against (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —Mike Petrucelli

(...) Uh... The only thing the government can to do "help" the economy is to cut taxes. Everything else only makes it worse or at best has no impact. And please don't give me that "tax cuts for the rich" crap. The "rich" by the definition the (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —Dave Schuler

(...) Here's a good counterpoint from (...) This quote was taken from (URL) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —Mike Petrucelli

Well from all 3 Economics classes I have taken through high school and college all three teachers/professers have stated that a President and Congress's effect on the economy shows up about 10 years after the fact. Sort of a catch 22, the government (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —Dave Schuler

(...) We have to be careful about that kind of assertion, though, because it's after-the-fact and is succeptible to tremendous spin. Additionally (though not conclusively) I've heard the point put forth most vehemently by conservative pundits, who (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —Mike Petrucelli

(...) Oh absolutely. (...) Well I have heard the same thing from liberals favoring Democratic admistrations that is why I tend to accept it moreso than not. (...) No. (...) Well duh. (...) Unfortunatly I really never figured that part out. Maybe (...) (21 years ago, 12-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —Mike Petrucelli

I know, I know bad form replying to myself. (...) The federal budget is not the same thing as the national economy. -Mike Petrucelli (21 years ago, 12-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —Dave Schuler

(...) But have you heard Democratic administrations using the apparent ten-year delay as evidence of the strength of their own policies (ie, those that come to fruition during Republican administrations) or to commend Republicans for enacting (...) (21 years ago, 14-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —Mike Petrucelli

(...) I haven't heard anyone using the ten-year-trail other than economics teachers period. In that context it makes sense, outside that context is anyones guess. (...) I haven't acctually heard anyone saying that. (...) That is because most people (...) (21 years ago, 14-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —David Koudys

In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Mike Petrucelli wrote: <snip> (...) K, I don't follow American issues *that* closely, but didn't Bush sr. talk about "VooDoo Economics", and wasn't the basis of "VooDoo economics" tax cuts for the rich, such that the (...) (21 years ago, 14-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —Dave Schuler

(...) Really? Pretty much every discussion about the economy that I hear gives Reagan all the credit for the mid/late 90's boom, while all the blame for the Dubya-era recession goes to Clinton. I would go so far as to say that, among conservative (...) (21 years ago, 14-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —Mike Petrucelli

(...) Well that's the first thing I have heard on the subject that makes any sense at all. (...) Personally I think the real reason the Democrats are always against tax cuts is so they can spend the money on their social engineering agenda rather (...) (21 years ago, 14-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —Dave Schuler

(...) Republicans tend to spend the Federal budget into hideous deficits while cutting useful[1] social programs, so that any subsequent tax that Democrates apply to restore such programs can be villified as "tax-and-spend" liberals. [1] I know, I (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —Mike Petrucelli

(...) Yeah so they are both full of crap. (...) I agree, that is basicly what my indended meaning was. (...) Nothing, however for the 1 person like her there are 100 that are just leaching off the system. Half my aunts and uncles come to mind. I am (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —Dave Schuler

(...) I dispute that statistic as non-representative of reality. Do you have a citation? Alternatively, if you're just making a rhetorical specultion, that's fine, but you need to disclaim it as such. And again, let's distinguish Federal assistance (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —Richard Marchetti

I wasn't overly impressed with the nature of the rhetoric or information at those links either. And while I can't speak for the specifics of what Mr. P was referring to, something similar to it can be found here: We Have Met the Wealthy, and They (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —Dave Schuler

(...) *snip* (...) Most sharply-biased (in either direction) media sources hope that the audience never makes the connection that you point out, and all too often thats exactly what happens. It's interesting that a common conservative tactic is to (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —Larry Pieniazek

(...) How badly do you want out of your situation? McDonalds is hiring. Seriously. Your wife could presumably (if college educated or reasonably hard working, (and she must have been smart to select such as yourself Dave!)) become a manager in no (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —Richard Marchetti

(...) No, they're not. In most cases menial work like that is available part-time only so that the employer can avoid granting an employee much by way of the benefits that usually go to full-time workers only. Plus, how do you realistically explain (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —Dave Schuler

(...) That's actually not true, or at any rate it's only true insofar as you can become a manager in no time for $7.50 an hour or less, along with guaranteed straight-rate overtime, minimal benefits, and minimal job security. (...) Given the (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —Mike Petrucelli

(...) Mostly that statement was based from a women I used to work with who grew up in North Philadelphia and basicly told me as much. She litterally told me that they should just drop a bomb on the whole area because most of them (her relatives (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

The Economy, Stupid! (was Re: How many things etc) —Richard Marchetti

(...) You're so cynical, Dave! Too bad it is not more contagious, it might keep more politicians on their toes. In theory, I'd like to see taxes so low that much of what we now have as part of local, state, and federal governments would be (...) (21 years ago, 14-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —John Neal

In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti wrote: (snip) I'm curious. Elsewhere in this thread the recall of Gray Davis was mentioned. I happen to think that a bad idea because I think that that could open the door for someone really horrible to (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —Bruce Schlickbernd

(...) Of course, if you simply hate Liberals, then Feinstein slithers, but at least she isn't an incompetent do-nothing. (...) We don't get a choice: it would be Cheney. I just had to one-up the Feinstein scenario you dread. :-) -->Bruce<-- (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —Richard Marchetti

(...) Impeachment would take focus away from Iraq -- and we need to get out of there in a big hurry -- so I'm not for impeachment, not exactly anyway. I just favor anyone but Shrub the next time around. But whomever we get, we will get the president (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —Dave Schuler

(...) If only we could figure out who won the popular vote in 2000. Seriously though--if Bush were to leave due to impeachment or wrongdoing, then naturally Cheney would have to assume the post. Unless of course Cheney is likewise guilty of (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —Dave Schuler

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —John Neal

(...) Correct, but I'm pretty sure that you would have to go pretty far down the pike in order to get to a Democrat, which is really what this whole thing is all about (partisan politics). JOHN (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —Bruce Schlickbernd

(...) Not really. I'd only object to Cheney inasmuch as he is probably just as responsible as Dubya is. I don't regard duping the American people into spending billions of dollars and the lives of American service men and women as merely "politics". (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —Richard Marchetti

(...) I love how you minimize AMERICANS DYING on foreign soil and WAR in general as mere partisan politics! Yeah, we're all just little partisan pawns to move about to and fro on your Xtian "apocalypse" game board, John. For the upteenth time, and (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —John Neal

(...) Gad, you are obtuse. I love how you minimize 1,000s OF AMERICANS who died on OUR soil! There is a very real threat out there, whether you choose to acknowledge it or not. We may never know the results of the pre-emptive deposing of SH, but I'd (...) (21 years ago, 12-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —Richard Marchetti

(...) So instead of having an honest justification -- since you have never been able to provide even a single bit of evidence to connect SH, AQ, and/or OBL -- you'd rather just invade countries within the world of Islam? Yeah, that's not anything (...) (21 years ago, 12-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —John Neal

(...) It is time that all of the world's tinpot leaders get the message that supporting terrorism and terrorists will lead to their ruin. (...) That may have been good advice 200 years ago, but the world is a smaller place today. There is no more (...) (21 years ago, 12-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —Mike Petrucelli

(...) So if we declare nuetrality and state that anyone whom attacks the U.S. will be wiped off the planet that would accomplish that goal. (...) See above. (...) Hmm. Protecting our way of life huh? You mean like ignoring the bill of rights. (...) (...) (21 years ago, 13-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —John Neal

(...) So then how does that differ from how we reacted after 9-11? There wasn't any country responsible for that attack. Whom or what would you wipe off the planet? (...) No, Mike, I mean as in protecting oil fields so that they may be marketed to (...) (21 years ago, 13-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —Mike Petrucelli

(...) Well that is about the only thing we have accomplished thus far, except for the "world freely" part. (...) Right so after Afganistan, Saudi Arabia was the only country that we can actually prove did that. (...) Well given that there are more (...) (21 years ago, 13-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —John Neal

(...) We know Saudis perpetrated it; whether they were government sponsored or not is unclear. I tend to think not. OBL is a criminal in Saudi Arabia, and the Wahabi sect of Islam is just as dangerous to their way of life as it is to ours. (...) We (...) (21 years ago, 14-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —Mike Petrucelli

(...) And yet the Saudi government has done nothing. (...) Yeah cause dictatorships are a "way of life" we actually care about protecting. (...) So what is the basis of your disagreement. (...) Yeah its only been cited practiclly every time the (...) (21 years ago, 14-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —John Neal

(...) Look, I don't claim to understand everything that is going on in Saudi Arabia. Do they sponsor terrorism? Maybe, but then why is OBL persona non grata in the Kingdom? Perhaps the right sheik doesn't know what the left sheik is sponsoring. I (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —Mike Petrucelli

(...) The point is that there are actual links between the Saudi government and OBL. There are no such links between OBL and Saddam. (...) OK (URL) please read> (...) Well the mass media passed on the propaganda didn't they. They just happened to (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —Richard Marchetti

(...) As usual, John -- not too much information, have you? We wouldn't want to sully your political perspective with anything like facts or meaningful conjecture... Something like $80 - $100 million were spent on the Clinton Whitewater and "Oval (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: Y2K scam (was: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out?) —Ross Crawford

(...) Hehe, I have to laugh every time I hear that. Sure there were probably con artists that sold back yard programs to "fix" PCs, but the Y2K "problem" was in fact a problem, in that a lot of money had to be spent to fix it. And fixed it was (...) (21 years ago, 14-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —Larry Pieniazek

Snipped a lot of stuff to focus on a couple of bits... (...) I think that may be going a bit far. The government did a poor job of acting on evidence it had before it, but that's a lot different than actually "letting" the attacks succeed. There's (...) (21 years ago, 13-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —Mike Petrucelli

(...) Well consider what has transpired. The Governement has "accomplished" much that public opinion never would have allowed prior to 9/11. What have the perpetrators' supporters gained? Why has there not been another attack despite the fact that (...) (21 years ago, 14-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —Larry Pieniazek

(...) Some are and some aren't. A policy that said we would consistently attack (with nuclear weapons) any country that had a leader that said "Bush is a weenie" would be indeed consistent, but worse than what we have now. (...) Because they're a (...) (21 years ago, 14-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —Mike Petrucelli

(...) Well at least that would be consistent. :-D Seriously though I see what your getting at. (...) I was simply wondering why we are calling them that when prior to the war Bush & company stated we were not going to occupy the country for the sake (...) (21 years ago, 14-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —Richard Marchetti

(...) That's your reply? It is absolutely a waste of time to discuss anything with you -- a person that does nothing but reiterate the nonsensical and empty platitudes of his favorite party. If you could but once come here with a cite from anyone (...) (21 years ago, 13-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —John Neal

(...) My reply to what? You snipped the context thankyouverymuch. Bad form. (...) Then pray tell why did you even reply to this post? (...) What a silly thing to say! As if providing "cites" bestows merit on a particular post. (...) Sorry, Richard, (...) (21 years ago, 14-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —Richard Marchetti

(...) It is -- thanks for recognizing that. Too bad some of the rest of you are so mentally challenged. (...) Where is the QUESTION? A declarative statement is not a question. You stated: "I believe that the perceived threat was never from the Iraqi (...) (21 years ago, 14-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —Dave Schuler

(...) I must remind the reader that no credible link has been shown to exist between Al-qaeda and Saddam Hussein, so any references to "{1,000s of AMERICANS} who died on {OUR} soil" are irrelevant to the issue of Dubya's decision to send thousands (...) (21 years ago, 14-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —Adrian Egli

(...) I don't think it will go anyhow; the state of CA has been going w/out a budget for days now and this Californian would rather see money for a re-election go elsewhere, like education and health services. But speaking as a native Californian, (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out? —Ross Crawford

(...) LOL! If all leaders were ousted for lying & distortion of facts, none of them would last 5 minutes! BTW our PM is also copping (URL) large amounts of flak> for this so called "proof of WMD" but he will also survive it. He survived the (URL) (...) (21 years ago, 12-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)