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(...) And what, exactly, does it do for us? If charity is performed to achieve a space in heaven, then it's a simple economic transaction designed to favor oneself with a payoff disproportionate to the act of charity. (...) On the contrary--public (...) (21 years ago, 13-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Carl Nelson wrote: <snip> (...) I don't believe in the Beatles, I just believe in me. After all, he was the walrus.... I could be the walrus... still wouldn't change the fact that I don't own a car... "...I recall Central (...) (21 years ago, 13-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Point taken--probably not the best illustration of charity. "Buy a panhandler a meal" would have been a better example. Religiously speaking, Jesus would have helped the panhandler to overcome addiction, adversity, laziness, or whatever other (...) (21 years ago, 13-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek wrote: <anip> (...) Perfectly said, Larry. Walking down the street years ago, guy says, "Hey, spot me some coin for a coffee?" Well, we just happen to be close to a Tim Hortins (Canadian version of 'coffee (...) (21 years ago, 13-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I grant that the assertion that altruism is a bad idea sounds a bit unusual. It's not a new assertion, however. I've made it before. Either review what was said then, or feel free to demonstrate that altruism IS a good idea, if you like... But (...) (21 years ago, 13-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And here I was thinking that "all rights are property rights" was a strange belief. Adieu Richie Dulin (2 URLs) Port Brique Somewhere in the South Pacifique (2 URLs) Misérable Building a safer South Pacifique (21 years ago, 13-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Rearranged slightly to make a point (...) All good. Assuming you did your research, that is. (...) Terrible idea. Why would you want to do that?(1) ALL your examples above are worthy charities (based on the assumption that you as donor have (...) (21 years ago, 13-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Charity is absolutely a Christian (and most other religions', at that) value. The problem is, the government is not a charitable organization. God wants us to give money not because He needs it (televangelism aside <g>) but for what the act of (...) (21 years ago, 11-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Does that really surprise you? I expect every hamlet, village, town and city on the planet has a greater population density than the whole of Scotland - think about it. Heck, my office has a population density of 200,000 / sq. mi... and there (...) (21 years ago, 11-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Okay... Let me toss out a few numbers to put this a bit more into perspective: Scotland Population (ca. 1991): 5,102,400 Population Density: 169/sq. mi. US Population (ca. 2000): 281,421,906 (55x Scotland) Population Density: 80/sq. mi. (0.47x (...) (21 years ago, 10-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I used to work at KB toys, those 'toys' were purchased by adult collectors 95 percent of the time. Not that it really makes too much difference but I just thought you would like to know. -Mike Petrucelli (21 years ago, 10-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(2 URLs) Elite Force Aviator: George W. Bush - U.S. President and Naval Aviator - 12" Action Figure Pre-order: Available 09/15/03 Blue-Box Price: $39.99 Hey, maybe it can be used as a voodoo doll! Better yet, just pass on it and vote with the (...) (21 years ago, 8-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, I'm a pragmatist, after all! 8^) Besides which, I think the beauty of this story is not the issue of church/state separation but rather the apparent church/church separation! The fun will come in watching the Christian Coalition scramble (...) (21 years ago, 8-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Xtian church. If we were to be guided by what Jesus might have done in our stead, how different things would be. Usually though, you just get some Bible thumper that wants to use Biblical teachings to put you under his thumb -- so that he can (...) (21 years ago, 8-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Yeah, I wouldn't be too sure about that either. The Dead Sea Scrolls supposedly have lengthy sexual passages like one where Noah speaks lyrically in the first person about the beauty of his wife Sarah's breasts. To me, nothing could be more (...) (21 years ago, 8-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(URL) (21 years ago, 8-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Any translation is subject to introducing error. Usually, though, Bible scholars seem for the most part encouraged that modern translations seem consistent any time they find a really old fragment. But I'm hardly enough of a Bible scholar to (...) (21 years ago, 8-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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'The President's Ideologically Narrow Agenda has Seriously Divided America...' (URL) edit: Why is the guy I didn't vote for suddenly nailing it? He should have been this interesting during his campaign. Anyway, it's a must read for an understanding (...) (21 years ago, 7-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It's not that we're biased toward MS products, it's just Windows is the most widely used OS and therefore if you want to have to good user base you have to program for Windows. I personally find Linux confusing and prefer using Windows; does (...) (21 years ago, 7-Aug-03, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Report: Marines dropped devices similar to Napalm on Iraqi troops (URL) SAN DIEGO - Marine Corps fighter pilots and commanders say they dropped firebombs similar to napalm on Iraqi troops earlier this year, according to a report published Tuesday. (...) (21 years ago, 7-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I can't answer you question directly because I have not made an exhaustive survey on the subject from the perspective of non-English Xtian faiths, but I will answer it this way... You can use books like Strong's Concordance to get at a closer (...) (21 years ago, 7-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Interesting, but perhaps you can explain some inconsistencies with that explanation. Not all Christian religions use the King James version of the bible - certainly the Catholics don't (and their views on homosexuality differ little from most (...) (21 years ago, 6-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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One more thing: (URL) See that guy up there? He has WAY too much time on his hands. He's an incipient little J. Edgar or wannabe agent for TIA or maybe just a failed blackmailer. The main thing is: he is not a good person and he is definitely overly (...) (21 years ago, 6-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti wrote: snip (...) Preach it, Hoppy! When the majority of the Bible, and the teachings of Jesus, our supposed role model and saviour, focuses on Social Justice, and we get hung up on a few misinterpreted (...) (21 years ago, 6-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Fears of split follow gay bishop vote (URL) The historic vote has sent shock waves through the church and the wider Anglican community, with the Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams saying Wednesday that the church faced "difficult days" while (...) (21 years ago, 6-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Gee, lot's of similar references here I guess. I'm thinking of Larry Niven's "The Patchwork Man" (at least I think that's the short story I'm thinking of - Niven actually keeps refering to organ banks). Frank (21 years ago, 5-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti wrote: <snip> (...) Hear! Hear!! Let that truth be told everywhere! Dave K (21 years ago, 5-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Frank Filz wrote: <snip> (...) I say it's LEXX :) (21 years ago, 5-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Dead Men Tell No Tales
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The unreported cost of war: at least 827 American wounded (URL) US military casualties from the occupation of Iraq have been more than twice the number most Americans have been led to believe because of an extraordinarily high number of accidents, (...) (21 years ago, 5-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(URL) (21 years ago, 4-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't have any cites, but my mom is sure wondering if there's any connection between here peacefull war protests and the fact that everytime she goes though airport security she gets the "full treatment". I'm personally not convinced, but (...) (21 years ago, 4-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But not being an activist is still no guarantee. The Sacramento NBC affiliate did a story about two men -- one a school teacher, the other a truck driver-- who were detained at Sac International simply for having the same fairly common name as (...) (21 years ago, 4-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) C /only/biggest/ and I'm totally on board with that. The French don't scare me much, frankly (er, sorry about that :-) ). (21 years ago, 4-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I realize how some people here will interpret this but if peaceful means (protesting, legal action, etc.) are being covertly outlawed, then it is getting awful close to the time when it will be neccessary invoke our second amendment right in (...) (21 years ago, 4-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) And very closely related to this story... US anti-war activists hit by secret airport ban (URL) After more than a year of complaints by some US anti-war activists that they were being unfairly targeted by airport security, Washington has (...) (21 years ago, 3-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Many thanks, Lar! That's the stuff. And I used to read some of that mag online too... Yeah, social engineering is a big gap in security -- and always will be, that's why it almost always works. My information belongs to me, and in the EU AND the (...) (21 years ago, 3-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Bully, you mean? (...) Lead article in this month's Reason: (URL) both the cite request for loss of privacy and the cite request for denial of right to travel. Note that now that the feds took over, there no longer is the valid defence of "try (...) (21 years ago, 3-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd wrote (...) I will grant that the threat isn't demonstrable, except of course, the carnage perpetrated on 9-11. The problem is that the potential threat is so horrific that if it isn't pre-emptively (...) (21 years ago, 3-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, no, the Barbary Pirates were like cockroachs. They hung around for quite some time despite numerous people trying to wipe them out. Once the Pax Brittanica began they were finally surpressed (another parallel for your example with the (...) (21 years ago, 2-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) And the enemy was actually defeatable, unlike now. Also, I don't see that Jefferson limited citizens rights during this period; but if I am in error I stand ready to be educated of that fact. I am not wholly unwilling to make some compromises (...) (21 years ago, 2-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You do realize that much of that stuff is predicated on the very claims that the White House made that are now being contested, right? I would think it's a debate error to claim as fact, or even as support, the very things being questioned. To (...) (21 years ago, 2-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote: Oops. Sorry (I hate it when folks don't use hyperlinks:-p) (2 URLs) (21 years ago, 2-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Bad example. How did Thomas Jefferson deal with stateless terrorists? He increased the power of centralized government, raised a navy, and went to war. The Barbary Pirates (ummmm specifically the Corsairs of Tripoli) were seizing ships and (...) (21 years ago, 2-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) (URL) AQ, in particular, is supra-national. Cells may exist in as many as 60 (...) Certainly some. And convince and assist the other countries to purge them by themselves. (...) Really? When were you summarily investigated and databased? (...) (...) (21 years ago, 2-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) There is zero proof Iraq was harboring anyone plotting moves against the U.S. AQ, in particular, is supra-national. Cells may exist in as many as 60 countries including the U.S. Are we going to go after them all, John? (...) Freedom from being (...) (21 years ago, 2-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) ??? Or it may not have. (...) ??? Or they may not have that. (...) ??? Or it might not have. (...) How exactly were they looking to draw their conclusions? This article is basically opinion. (...) Thank you for the warning, Doctor Spin. JOHN (21 years ago, 2-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, there you have it. There's nothing like an open mind, and yours is nothing like it! But to answer anyway: In both Iraq and Afganistan, terrorists were allowed safe haven to train and plot their attacks. By eliminating the governments who (...) (21 years ago, 2-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Conflict 'may have driven Muslims into arms of al-Qa'ida' (URL) The war to topple Saddam Hussein may have damaged the campaign against international terrorism by driving Muslims into the arms of al-Qa'ida, an all-party committee of MPs said (...) (21 years ago, 1-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: Tony Martin case: You can't {make up} better criticism of Liberals!
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(...) One reference that would seem to fit your Libertarian philosophy is Michael G. Coney's "The Jaws That Bite, The Claws that Catch." But I don't think that's the one you're referring to. Dave! (21 years ago, 1-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Nope, I was thinking of another one. It's probably been done several times. Frank (21 years ago, 1-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Brown Girl in the Ring? Anyway, William Burroughs wrote an essay on this very idea in the late 70s or early 80s -- it was carried in Heavy Metal magazine. It loosely relates to his novel as screenplay, "Blade Runner." -- Hop-Frog (21 years ago, 1-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) This is an incredibly important consideration that the pro-Death Penalty and lock-em-up-and-throw...e-key-away people tend to totally ignore. There are a few things that do justify indefinite incarceration, but very few in my mind, for just (...) (21 years ago, 1-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Please explain with great specificity how the twin invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq have made us safer from terrorism. Of course, keep in my mind that there is much intelligence claiming the exact opposite of your probably false assertion (...) (21 years ago, 1-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Mandatory life sentences create very dangerous, panicked offenders. If you were DUI and killed someone, and you KNEW that you were guaranteed a life sentence, what exactly do you lose in trying to run, possibly killing more people (think a DUI (...) (21 years ago, 1-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What is your definition of "imperfect safety"? As long as other people are killed by terrorists and I can still have my freedom, I can live with imperfect safety. Well what if you were in one of those towers? Tell me how you can live through (...) (21 years ago, 1-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Uh, the stomach to defend the U.S. Constitution, John?! I'm sorry, but I think at least some of us are willing to do that and also have the stomach for it. Freedom is not the same as perfect safety. I can live with imperfect safety if I can (...) (21 years ago, 31-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) John, as an outsider, this is not convincing. Half the people you are worried about today were your allies a few years ago! What has changed to ensure the torturers and murderers the USA is nurturing today won't kick you in the ass in 10 years (...) (21 years ago, 31-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Bush & Co think so. I think that they are correct. We shall see... (...) That's it! Isn't this the entire crux of the issue? How does a free and open society protect itself while respecting civil rights? The answer and dirty little secret is (...) (21 years ago, 31-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It is my understanding that the money for AQ is known to come from SA, it is not conjecture at this point (if it ever was). The question is: does the SA govt. condone or even know about this activity? Obviously, attacking SA is out of the (...) (21 years ago, 31-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, we could open an exception for cars carrying large amounts of ABS to happy consumers' homes... ;-) Pedro (21 years ago, 31-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Why not just go after the Saudis *first*? And why not do it economically instead of via unwarranted war? Arrange our affairs to break our dependence on foreign oil and voila.(1) (Oil is too valuable to burn in cars, it needs to be saved to (...) (21 years ago, 31-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur wrote: "President" Bush's You guys crack me up! JOHN (21 years ago, 31-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Here is one for the conspiracy theorists: what if we know full well that SA is behind al-Qaeda but attacking her is out of the question (seeing as how she is supposed to be our ally, but we attacked Iraq instead as a sort of veiled threat to (...) (21 years ago, 31-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Sorry: I was referring to "President" Bush's (URL) drunk driving conviction>. (...) Sorry John. Scott A (...) (21 years ago, 31-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Not sure to what you are referring or the reason behind the winky, but I think you have confused Mike's opinions with mine. JOHN (21 years ago, 31-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I’ve decided that John’s (URL) that “Drunk Drivers” should be executed has some merit after all. ;) Scott A (21 years ago, 31-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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"The threat is still real because neither invading Afghanistan nor Iraq had much to do with Al-Qaeda, which is itself a supra-national entity largely financed from ***** ******." I'm sorry, but that line had to be censored... the truth is (...) (21 years ago, 31-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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No one is so foolish as to prefer war to peace, in which, instead of sons burying their fathers, fathers bury their sons. - Croesus, King of Lydia in Herodotus' The Persian Wars Al-Qaeda threat 'still real' (2 URLs) The president also said the (...) (21 years ago, 31-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'm not sure I follow you. Would people prefer to use these pharmaceutical drugs, or would they opt for the more potent and insidious drugs like crack and ecstasy? (...) lol I hope you are being facetious, but I'd bet you're not! :-) (...) It (...) (21 years ago, 30-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) What would be better in my mind would be if companies that seek foreign labor pay decent (but not US union) wages. That way, foreigners are able to benefit from such partnerships, creating a win-win situation. Even if foreigners are paid half (...) (21 years ago, 30-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Why not tax corporations so that the payroll cost-per-employee is the same whether they employ US or foreign citizens? That is, if the standard US wage is $10.00/hr, and the standard foreign wage is $.50/hr, let's tax the corporation the (...) (21 years ago, 30-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Double standard on globalization (URL) American industry wants to be free to shift labor around the globe. And it fiercely lobbies against any restrictions, such as transnational labor standards. But when it comes to property, business lobbies just (...) (21 years ago, 30-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) So instead of legalizing something relatively benign like pharmaceutical grade cocaine or heroin, you have de facto readily available garbage like crack. Crack is cheap, powerfully addictive, and TRULY ruins people's lives quite quickly. What (...) (21 years ago, 29-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) The problem with drug usage is not the usage "per se", it's what addicts do once they waste all their money. Tipically, the pattern for drug usage is: you have a job and do drugs, then you lose your job (and income) due to the addiction, then (...) (21 years ago, 29-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Can a parallel be drawn with alcohol in the "dry" twenties? Why? (or why not) Pedro (21 years ago, 29-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I think most people don't do drugs because they don't want to risk their lives/health/saftey, not because it is too expensive. Personally I don't smoke, drink, or do drugs. The bottom line is that using drugs does not fall under the category (...) (21 years ago, 29-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Um, okay, that's "hard":-) But yes, it is only that kind of "no tolerance" policy that is going to change public behavior. That said, I think it would definitely lead to an increase in the prison population (addressing Richard's qualm), at (...) (21 years ago, 29-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) First I should state that I belive we should make driving while intoxicated a capital offense. (meaning that it can be punishable by execution once the court system is overhauled, until them life imprisonment) Second why do you assume that (...) (21 years ago, 29-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) ...too true. The biggest killer in Scotland is actually the deep-fat-fryer (aka "chip-pan"). When my countrymen boil vegetables... it is usually in lard! Basically, if one can fit a food item in, that's the way to cook it. This includes: (...) (21 years ago, 29-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It's about telling a story - it's a short-cut to tell the audience that tension is ratcheting up and that events are now balanced upon a fine hair. Using a gun in single-action mode (manually pulling back the trigger) is usually entirely (...) (21 years ago, 29-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd wrote: <snip> (...) "All right you primitive screwheads, listen up! See this? This is my BOOM STICK!!!!" My favourite dialogue from any movie ever! The quotes from that movie... "It's a trick (...) (21 years ago, 29-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) My favorite is the sound of a cocking gun in a movie with a hammerless gun. Or sounds of Bruce Campbell racking the slide on his double-barrel shotgun. -->Bruce<-- Good, bad: I'm the guy with the keyboard. (21 years ago, 29-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ah, yes, but death by Claymores was twice that, death by Haggis twice the Claymore rate, and death by Single Malt...don't even get me started! -->Bruce<-- (yes, I was named after that Bruce) (21 years ago, 29-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Sure, if they would use it without affecting anyone else, but they won't. They will use and drive cars and barges and operate machinery, and kill 1,000s as drunks do today. What about the freedoms of the rest of us? (...) What I am saying is (...) (21 years ago, 29-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I feel obliged to add that we probably haven't spent "trillions" of dollars on welfare unless of course we include the ongoing billions handed to big corporations, and that doesn't really qualify as 'trying to wipe out poverty.' Further, even (...) (21 years ago, 29-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Nobody mentioned welfare except for you, John. I emphasized decent education and trade programs. I don't see that you rebutted anything else substantive that I have previously stated either. You set up a straw man and want me to defend it? Not (...) (21 years ago, 29-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You defend the more Christian approach? You make me laugh. Your idea is to have the government try and solve the problem, wasting billions of $$$ on beaucracy. How many trillions of dollars have we spent in the past 40 years on welfare (...) (21 years ago, 29-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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The Fog of War Talk (URL) "That's a good question, as to what constitutes victory," Rumsfeld replied. "Now, what is victory? I say that victory is persuading the American people and the rest of the world that this is not a quick matter that's going (...) (21 years ago, 29-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It is obvious you have never seen people beaten down by their socio-economic cicumstances as I have. Come to West Oakland, CA and see the situation and tell me that people are absolutely choosing their lifestyles. Now who is being naive? As an (...) (21 years ago, 28-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) What's the problem? Under certain circumstances freemen have the right, and perhaps the duty, to take human lives in the defense of their home or homelands. Tool designed for the purpose of taking human life in the hands of the rightfully (...) (21 years ago, 28-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Gotta stop ya right there. I think there should be a ban on certain firearms - Joe Schlub has no need to go buy an Uzi, AK-47, grenade launcher, etc. Sure, recreational shooting and all, yeah. These were weapons designed and built to take (...) (21 years ago, 28-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) The latest stats for Scotland show: Handgun crime is lower now than 10 years ago (they were “banned” in 97). 50% of gun crime involves air weapons. Gun deaths per 100,000 = 0.12 (in the USA it is 4.08 - that's 3400% higher!) I think overall (...) (21 years ago, 28-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Ok I must restate that I do not shoot at noises. In fact more than likely I wouldn't shoot at all I'd simply knock the intruder out. But anyway... (...) Yeah that would be your own dumb fault. I would agree with the involuntary manslaughter (...) (21 years ago, 28-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Okay, but let's extend it a little further. Suppose we went with variation #3 from my previous post: 3. The "intruder" is your daughter who has sneaked down to the kitchen for a glass of water during the night If you killed your daughter in (...) (21 years ago, 28-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well you would kind of have to now wouldn't you? Of course enacting regulation in the first place and no impact on the crime rate so I don't see why deregulation would either. -Mike Petrucelli (21 years ago, 28-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And I have no problem as the newer of the two Scott's being refeffered to as Scott C., the other Scott, The American Scott, or even Great Scott (. I just laughed when I read your post and thought "Hey, I'm pro gun, what is he talking about." (...) (21 years ago, 28-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) As the child is under her care and if through her ill-advised actions she gets shot in self defence, I would say that the fault lies with her. -Mike Petrucelli (21 years ago, 28-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Exactly - for emphasis. It's all Hollywood. Common sense abandoned for dynamics. (...) Splitting hairs here, but I was taught (back to the respect and responsibility thing) that all guns are dangerous. Always treat it as if it's loaded, don't (...) (21 years ago, 28-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Good point, but here's something that's always bothered me. Very often we'll see some menacing fellow onscreen brandishing a .45 or even a shotgun, and by brandishing it he coerces some other character to undertake some action or inaction. But (...) (21 years ago, 28-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I said you were naive, not an idiot. But anyway, if you think such powerfully addictive drugs were available to the GP at such low prices, what do you think would occur? How many 1,000s if not 10,000s of junkies would our society have? It (...) (21 years ago, 28-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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