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Re: The War That Never Ends
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Sat, 2 Aug 2003 05:50:03 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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What is your definition of “imperfect safety”? As long as other people
are killed by terrorists and I can still have my freedom, I can live with
imperfect safety. Well what if you were in one of those towers? Tell me
how you can live through that! You basically are willing to roll the dice
and hope your number doesn’t come up. Other people may want a more secure
response to terrorism.
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Please explain with great specificity how the twin invasions of Afghanistan
and Iraq have made us safer from terrorism. Of course, keep in my mind that
there is much intelligence claiming the exact opposite of your probably false
assertion that these wars are making us “safer.”
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Well, there you have it. There’s nothing like an open mind, and yours is
nothing like it! But to answer anyway:
In both Iraq and Afganistan, terrorists were allowed safe haven to train and
plot their attacks. By eliminating the governments who permitted terrorists to
use their countries, these groups suddenly found themselves without a place to
organize. By scattering them and hunting them down, we have greatly reduced
their effectiveness to coordinate attacks. Individually, these pukes can be
dealt with like the criminals they are. Thus, thwarting their attempts to
organize greatly reduces their impact and the danger to us.
Further, and as I have mentioned elsewhere, the overthrow of SH is a warning to
other tinpot dictators who might be considering harboring terrorists. We have
shown that we aren’t afraid to take action against such scum. Again, this
denies the pukes places to organize, train, etc.
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We all roll the dice every day, John. Such is life -- death looms always.
Everyone knows this simple fact.
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What I specifically object to in your whole tone and manner is your apparent
willingness to quite easily sacrifice the very things that define us and make
being an American worthwhile -- our civil liberties!
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Now you tell me what specific civil liberties you have had to sacrifice as a
result of the Bush administration.
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Without those very civil
rights, there is little point in defending a U.S. that in essence has already
ceased to exist. To defend a U.S. void of it’s freedom principles is to
defend a house that has been plundered already -- to defend nothing.
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And likewise, if we allow terrorists to destroy our way of life through
inaction, what is left of it? Again, here’s the thing. All you can do is rail
against what others are coming up with to defend our country, but you haven’t
the foggiest idea how to actually address the problem. Heck, you think the
problem is us!--that all of this was brought upon us by ourselves! How
convenient; how nice that you don’t have to confront the very real presence of
evil in the world. (I’ll bet you are quoting Pogo in your mind right now!)
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I’m curious. Do you feel that FDR abhorred the US Constitution? Actually,
I’ll bet you think every US president sucked, because you and your type
are all about pointing fingers, blaming and critizing and nothing about
actual solutions in the real world.
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Great, lump me in with the Founding Fathers -- AGAIN! The govt. is not your
friend -- if that idea was good enough for Thomas Jefferson, it’s good enough
for me.
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lol, you are hardly myopic with the FF! The FF, while they may have thought
that government was a necessary evil, still got together AND CREATED A
GOVERNMENT! Don’t you see that? They didn’t just sit around and whine about
England, they came up with an answer, a solution-- a government of the people by
the people for the people. And they tried their best to use the government’s
power against itself to control it. It has nothing to do with “being my
friend” (Dems take note), but everything to do with preserving our liberties.
BTW, It is no wonder that liberties get curtailed in times of war (always have),
and when peace is restored, so are the liberties.
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BTW, there are myriad solutions to any given situation before before war
becomes the only solution.
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Really? Specifically what should have been done with SH? The guy friggin’
lied and deceived inspectors for YEARS! The UN is an impotent joke!
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Violence is the solution of the intellectually
challenged.
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What a naive and pompous load of horsecrap.
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For example, Shrub has claimed that we went to war with Iraq
because Saddam wouldn’t let the weapons inspectors in -- but he did let them
in!
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No, because SH failed to provide evidence to the inspectors that he had
destroyed his WMD.
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I’d have to say that Shrub either fails to understand simple facts of
reality, or that he is a bold faced liar pushing a very specific agenda.
And yes, I think FDR did a lot of despicable things.
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That wasn’t my question. Again: Do you think FDR abhorred the US Constitution?
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Of course, so had Wall
Street, the Banking industry and a lot of others empowered by Title 12 of the
Federal codes. That our economy is driven roughshod by private elite groups
for their own gain is not really a question, is it?
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In the immortal words of Ronald Reagan: “There you go again!” See? All you can
do is rip everyone in your ivory tower. It’s old.
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Ahh, is that how you’d characterize the butchery of Saddam Hussein--
“sovereign affairs”? You are disgusting.
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I characterize it as not my business, but possibly the business of the U.N.
because that’s how we have agreed to do things in order to keep the peace.
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The scary part is that you probably really do have faith in the complete
farce otherwise known as the U.N. If those emasculated nincompoops had done
their jobs in the first place, we wouldn’t have had to do it for them.
JOHN
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| (...) There is zero proof Iraq was harboring anyone plotting moves against the U.S. AQ, in particular, is supra-national. Cells may exist in as many as 60 countries including the U.S. Are we going to go after them all, John? (...) Freedom from being (...) (21 years ago, 2-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) Please explain with great specificity how the twin invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq have made us safer from terrorism. Of course, keep in my mind that there is much intelligence claiming the exact opposite of your probably false assertion (...) (21 years ago, 1-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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