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Re: The War That Never Ends
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Fri, 1 Aug 2003 16:59:53 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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What is your definition of “imperfect safety”? As long as other people
are killed by terrorists and I can still have my freedom, I can live with
imperfect safety. Well what if you were in one of those towers? Tell me
how you can live through that! You basically are willing to roll the dice
and hope your number doesn’t come up. Other people may want a more secure
response to terrorism.
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Please explain with great specificity how the twin invasions of Afghanistan and
Iraq have made us safer from terrorism. Of course, keep in my mind that there
is much intelligence claiming the exact opposite of your probably false
assertion that these wars are making us “safer.”
We all roll the dice every day, John. Such is life -- death looms always.
Everyone knows this simple fact.
What I specifically object to in your whole tone and manner is your apparent
willingness to quite easily sacrifice the very things that define us and make
being an American worthwhile -- our civil liberties! Without those very civil
rights, there is little point in defending a U.S. that in essence has already
ceased to exist. To defend a U.S. void of it’s freedom principles is to defend
a house that has been plundered already -- to defend nothing.
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I’m curious. Do you feel that FDR abhorred the US Constitution? Actually,
I’ll bet you think every US president sucked, because you and your type
are all about pointing fingers, blaming and critizing and nothing about
actual solutions in the real world.
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Great, lump me in with the Founding Fathers -- AGAIN! The govt. is not your
friend -- if that idea was good enough for Thomas Jefferson, it’s good enough
for me.
BTW, there are myriad solutions to any given situation before before war becomes
the only solution. Violence is the solution of the intellectually challenged.
For example, Shrub has claimed that we went to war with Iraq because Saddam
wouldn’t let the weapons inspectors in -- but he did let them in! I’d have to
say that Shrub either fails to understand simple facts of reality, or that he is
a bold faced liar pushing a very specific agenda.
And yes, I think FDR did a lot of despicable things. Of course, so had Wall
Street, the Banking industry and a lot of others empowered by Title 12 of the
Federal codes. That our economy is driven roughshod by private elite groups for
their own gain is not really a question, is it?
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Ahh, is that how you’d characterize the butchery of Saddam Hussein--
“sovereign affairs”? You are disgusting.
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I characterize it as not my business, but possibly the business of the U.N.
because that’s how we have agreed to do things in order to keep the peace.
When will you admit that everything Shrub has done has been predicated on a
series of falsehoods?
-- Hop-Frog
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Message has 3 Replies:
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| Conflict 'may have driven Muslims into arms of al-Qa'ida' (URL) The war to topple Saddam Hussein may have damaged the campaign against international terrorism by driving Muslims into the arms of al-Qa'ida, an all-party committee of MPs said (...) (21 years ago, 1-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) Well, there you have it. There's nothing like an open mind, and yours is nothing like it! But to answer anyway: In both Iraq and Afganistan, terrorists were allowed safe haven to train and plot their attacks. By eliminating the governments who (...) (21 years ago, 2-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) Bad example. How did Thomas Jefferson deal with stateless terrorists? He increased the power of centralized government, raised a navy, and went to war. The Barbary Pirates (ummmm specifically the Corsairs of Tripoli) were seizing ships and (...) (21 years ago, 2-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) What is your definition of "imperfect safety"? As long as other people are killed by terrorists and I can still have my freedom, I can live with imperfect safety. Well what if you were in one of those towers? Tell me how you can live through (...) (21 years ago, 1-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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