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Re: The War That Never Ends
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Thu, 31 Jul 2003 19:50:54 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
   That’s it! Isn’t this the entire crux of the issue? How does a free and open society protect itself while respecting civil rights? The answer and dirty little secret is IT CAN’T! And the terrorists know this! That is why they use our love of freedom and turn it against us! They know (or thought they did) that the US doesn’t have the stomach to fight such a threat, that we would negotiate or simply acquiesce (as the USSR did in Afganistan).

Uh, the stomach to defend the U.S. Constitution, John?! I’m sorry, but I think at least some of us are willing to do that and also have the stomach for it.

Freedom is not the same as perfect safety. I can live with imperfect safety if I can retain my freedoms. That’s the U.S. that everyone is willing to die for; not some fascist, right-wing, nightmare, no civil rights version of it.

If I never had proof for your abhorrence for the Constitutional U.S., John, there it is above for all to read. I am so sorry that some of us “Pinko”, left-wing, U.S. Constitution loving patriots are planning to stand in the way of your psycho republican pals achieving some kind of crazed Xtian oligarchy. Sorry, but not too sorry...

   The fact remains that SOMEBODY needs to stand up to these scumbags and hunt them down and wipe them from the face of the earth as an example for other future potential scum followers to see, as potential state sponsors of terrorism have seen WRT the fates of the Taliban and SH’s evil regime.

Do you mean power hungry beaurocrats that lock people up without right to an attorney or trial, and then torture them? Do you mean states that belligerently enter into and meddle in the sovereign affairs of other countries?

I agree 100% -- we need to stop that stuff right now.

-- Hop-Frog



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  Re: The War That Never Ends
 
(...) What is your definition of "imperfect safety"? As long as other people are killed by terrorists and I can still have my freedom, I can live with imperfect safety. Well what if you were in one of those towers? Tell me how you can live through (...) (21 years ago, 1-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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(...) Bush & Co think so. I think that they are correct. We shall see... (...) That's it! Isn't this the entire crux of the issue? How does a free and open society protect itself while respecting civil rights? The answer and dirty little secret is (...) (21 years ago, 31-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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