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Re: Tony Martin case: You can't {make up} better criticism of Liberals!
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Tue, 29 Jul 2003 14:49:37 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Mike Petrucelli wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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You know, I’ve been meaning to ask you about that. So what if we have the
hightest incarceration rate in the world. Should there be some magical
limit? We as a society have certain norms about expected behavior. You
violate that and you will be punished. Don’t like it? Move to where that
kind of behavior isn’t shunned. And I don’t mean that as a glib “love it or
leave it” crack, but to recognize that our society is different than
others. We are more modest, etc, blah, blah. Different isn’t bad, just
different. So if we want to make drug use illegal, so what?
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Because it violates the freedom of people who wish to use them without
affecting anyone else. Duh.
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Sure, if they would use it without affecting anyone else, but they won’t.
They will use and drive cars and barges and operate machinery, and kill 1,000s
as drunks do today. What about the freedoms of the rest of us?
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How simple and naive you are! It sounds really good on paper, but drugs,
gambling, etc, have a very real tendency to destroy lives.
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But they do not fall under the category of rape, murder, or stealing and as
such only affect those who choose to participate. Anything that only affects
those who choose to participate is none of anyone else’s buisness and should
not be illegal.
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What I am saying is that, yes, in theory, they don’t affect others, but in fact
they most definitely will. I use alcohol abuse as my basis for comparison.
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How about
raising healthy, well-adjusted citizens who have no need for such
destructive lifestyles?
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Who’s fault is it if they choose that lifestyle?
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I’m not really concerned about placing blame, but about the aftermath of their
destructive behavior. Whose fault would it be if our society legalized coke and
some crackhead drving on the wrong side of the road killed you and your family?
As I mentioned before, when we as a society are willing to come down HARD on
drunk drivers, that is when I will feel safe about legalizing drugs.
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From another angle, it’s not the money -- it’s how you spend it! Someone
said $40K + per annum to house a criminal. How about just giving him a
decent education or apprenticeship in a useful trade in the first place?
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LOL Good one! Why do you think criminals steal in the first place? Because
they would rather risk an easy score than to actually work for a living!
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Well yeah, you give a man a fish he eats for a day, you teach him to fish he
eats for a lifetime. Any suggestions on how to make him want to learn?
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Therein lies the rub. The only way I can think of is to somehow make it in
their own best interest to do so, because you can only lead a horse to
water...
JOHN
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