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Re: Tony Martin case: You can't {make up} better criticism of Liberals!
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Fri, 25 Jul 2003 03:03:03 GMT
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   Life is choices, and learning from past mistakes, and hopefully, as I probably don’t have to mention to you, redemption.

If yer dead, how can you work at that.

I’m not an opponent to the death penalty, I am an opponent to ‘vigilanty-ism’. As soon as we take the laws into our own hands, we become the criminals. What’s the point of having a legal system if no one gets there to use it?

A persons guilt is not in question when they are caught in the act. The legal system pertains to persons who are charged after the fact.

   There can be no ‘civil’ society if we all take the law into our own hands.

If imprisoning someone who kills a person that broke into their home is your idea of a ‘civil’ society then you can keep it.
  
My friend was suitably ‘convinced’ that B&E was the wrong thing to do. Either thru his brief court experience or the whumping he got from his dad at home, he was suitably punished for his deed. And here’s a concept--the punishment should suit the crime. Losing a life over a television set isn’t it.

Yes sometimes the legal system sucks. But there are ways of fixing that within the system. And if it takes a while, then that’s the inherent safety net that y’all love to talk about where your Constitution is concerned.

So either believe in the system or don’t believe in the system. Just don’t stand on your hypocritical soap box saying “Look at us with our awesome setup we got going on here” and in the next breath, break your own rules ‘cause y’all don’t like ‘em due to their inconvenience. Shooting someone who hasn’t specifically threatened you because he *may* threaten you is breaking your own rules.

Not when they have broken into my house. The very act of breaking into my house is a threat to my life as far as I am concerned.

   Self defense doesn’t apply unless you are being personally attacked. Someone pilfering off with your television is not an attack on you.

Do not rape, do not murder, do not steal, these are rules by which persons of any religion can follow. All acts of evil stem from breaking these three rules. If one does not follow them, then they should expect that their death is a potential consequence of their actions.

If someone breaks into my house I am not going to risk my life to determine whether they are there to rape, murder, or steal. I am simply going to make sure they are not a threat to myself or anyone else ever again. Any sane person would do the same thing.

-Mike Petrucelli



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  Re: Tony Martin case: You can't {make up} better criticism of Liberals!
 
(...) Why? Do all smokers eventually do 'hard drugs'? Do all people who view erotica end up being Charles Manson? Justify please. (...) And this is civilized? Jaywalking warrants the death penalty? (...) And if someone steals my cloak, I'll offer (...) (21 years ago, 25-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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  Re: Tony Martin case: You can't {make up} better criticism of Liberals!
 
(...) Life is choices, and learning from past mistakes, and hopefully, as I probably don't have to mention to you, redemption. If yer dead, how can you work at that. I'm not an opponent to the death penalty, I am an opponent to 'vigilanty-ism'. As (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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