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Re: Tony Martin case: You can't {make up} better criticism of Liberals!
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Mon, 28 Jul 2003 04:26:51 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti wrote:
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This is more of the usual right-wing idiocy. Beat down the victims of
right-wing callousness. The problem is not incarcerating real criminals, the
problem is the creation of crime!
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Sure, crime isn’t the criminal’s fault, it’s society’s!
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We are trying to legislate morality by creating whole categories of crime
that then overwhelm our prisons. It is pretty much an undeniable fact
(plowed ground here in debate) that the U.S. is the most incarcerated nation
on earth. Land of the free? Not bloody likely...
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You know, I’ve been meaning to ask you about that. So what if we have the
hightest incarceration rate in the world. Should there be some magical
limit? We as a society have certain norms about expected behavior. You
violate that and you will be punished. Don’t like it? Move to where that
kind of behavior isn’t shunned. And I don’t mean that as a glib “love it or
leave it” crack, but to recognize that our society is different than
others. We are more modest, etc, blah, blah. Different isn’t bad, just
different. So if we want to make drug use illegal, so what?
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Because it violates the freedom of people who wish to use them without affecting
anyone else. Duh.
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I don’t have a problem with humanely incarcerating thieves, rapists, and
murderers -- nor should you. These dangerous persons need to be contained
and the prejudicial manner in which capital punishment is actually carried
out in this country prevents a sane and fair person from being able to
co-sign death sentences. Humane containment is our only real option.
But incarcating hardcore capitalists like drug-dealers? C’mon, how does that
make sense? Legalize it, educated people in it’s possible pro and con
effects, lab produce it to control it’s quality to prevent OD, and tax it.
Viola! A whole new industry creating jobs and tax revenues instead of the
status quo prison-housed leeches.
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How simple and naive you are! It sounds really good on paper, but drugs,
gambling, etc, have a very real tendency to destroy lives.
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But they do not fall under the category of rape, murder, or stealing and as such
only affect those who choose to participate. Anything that only affects those
who choose to participate is none of anyone else’s buisness and should not be
illegal.
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How about
raising healthy, well-adjusted citizens who have no need for such destructive
lifestyles?
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Who’s fault is it if they choose that lifestyle?
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From another angle, it’s not the money -- it’s how you spend it! Someone
said $40K + per annum to house a criminal. How about just giving him a
decent education or apprenticeship in a useful trade in the first place?
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LOL Good one! Why do you think criminals steal in the first place? Because
they would rather risk an easy score than to actually work for a living!
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Well yeah, you give a man a fish he eats for a day, you teach him to fish he
eats for a lifetime. Any suggestions on how to make him want to learn?
Well that has obviously been disproven multiple times.
-Mike Petrucelli
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