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(...) Yet you did. You made a scene until Suz finally spent some time (on something she had NO expectations to do so by anyone, it seems, except you) to update your links. Yet again I state - you could have learned FTX by now and updated the links. (...) (22 years ago, 8-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's not quite as simple as that. I expect a great deal of people are able to produce quite decent html pages without really looking at the html... by using editing packages like FrontPage. They are easy to use, and get it correct 95% of the (...) (22 years ago, 8-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Perhaps when Eric became a member up-to-date link pages were part of the "deal". Did the gov't cut your grass when you 1st bought your property/paid the tax? ;) Scott A (22 years ago, 8-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Oh brother (Yawn) You waste your own time getting involved when I asked Lugnet leadership to help out. You took it upon yourself to say what you did. Sorry I was so nice to at Bricks West. Situation has been resolved. Your looking at all the (...) (22 years ago, 8-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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My deal is that you are wasting everyone's time, asking for "outsiders" to take up the reins for "your" group, because "you" (meaning you and any .mecha regular) are too lazy to do so. Why the HECK should someone with absolutely no interest in mecha (...) (22 years ago, 8-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.admin.suggestions)
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Hey Tom, we have already tried. Why can't you do some digging before you rush out and say that. The .mecha group is at an impass, that's why I'm asking for help. What's your deal. Legomaster (22 years ago, 8-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.admin.suggestions)
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(...) The average number of participants in .mecha have no relation to my not having time to make sure its links are up to date. (...) You can be sure it's nothing personal. I don't make any calls as to what 'deserves' to be added. (...) I probably (...) (22 years ago, 8-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.admin.curators)
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This is the key point here - you should be asking the Mecha Guys to curate the Mecha group. Why is that so hard to understand? (...) -- | Tom Stangl, Sun ONE Internet Technical Support, Sun Microsystems | iPlanet Support - (URL) Please do not (...) (22 years ago, 7-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.admin.suggestions)
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Dude, your still giving reasons not to help us. I said there are only a few people about. No one wants to take the job. As an example my Friend Dave said he would like to he just can't promise to keep up with it. Evan though I gave him a hard time (...) (22 years ago, 7-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.admin.suggestions)
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Your love for The Brick--indisputable Your appreciation for all things LEGO--unquestionable Your want for things on LUGNET to improve--admirable I did a quick scan--there are 52 top level groups in LUGNET (taken from the first page of Newsgroup, (...) (22 years ago, 7-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Guys, were only talking about a Few People here. There are only a Dozen at best Mecha Builders who contribute to the .Mecha community who are unaccounted for. The links that are out of date have been out of date for a long time, and they were put (...) (22 years ago, 7-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) killed number 23, Palestinians killed number 54, 22 of which were civilians. Israelis wounded number 75, Palestinians wounded number 220. 49 Palestinians are missing. FWIW, I didn't notice any great explanation in the delays insisted on by the (...) (22 years ago, 7-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys writes: <a bunch of good stuff... thanks. Great analogy to property tax by the way!> I just want to comment on this bit: (...) David: FTX is not that hard to learn to do the basics. It's way way was easier (...) (22 years ago, 7-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.admin.curators)
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(...) In the end, don't we all want to be happy? Can I *please* stomp on someone else's foot? That'll make me so happy! No? But I said please! There are soooo many newsgroups. If the admins were to take on the responsibility for maintaining links (...) (22 years ago, 7-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "Do you believe Israel committed human rights violations against Palestinians in Jenin?" 60% Yes 40% No 197531 Votes Perhaps that view was informed by Sharon. One of his demands of the now aborted UN fact-finding mission was that evidence (...) (22 years ago, 7-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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If anyone is actually trying to understand what happend, as opposed to some of the claims floating around, I found this article very interesting: (URL) Dan Boger dan@peeron.com (22 years ago, 7-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Dude, I have my reasons, the beauty in life is the duality that exists in all truths. Please understand that I asked with a PLEASE. If someone asks please, perhaps compassion could take it somewhere. If you sat with me, you would know me for who I (...) (22 years ago, 7-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) How is this on topic for off-topic.debate? I gave you some pretty good advice on how to proceed (get a curator, by convincing someone to volunteer, or at least set up a links page yourself) as well as some constructive feedback, and your (...) (22 years ago, 7-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.admin.general)
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Oh brother. (yawn.) (...) (22 years ago, 7-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Dave the net effect is the same. No one has come forward. Intentions or no, we still have no curator. I post around here quite a bit, there is no need to correct me. I remember just fine that you were interested in Curatorship a while back and I (...) (22 years ago, 7-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Pretty much like .off-topic.debate, really 8?) ROSCO (22 years ago, 5-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) They have a rock to move and no lever. There are lands that they believe are by rights theirs that the state of Israel has occupied for a long time. They want an Israeli withdrawl. They've tried many things including appeal to the world (...) (22 years ago, 5-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Howdy, regular readers know that a personal topic of interest for me is child welfare and what that means. I take fairly radical stances on the issue (some think in opposite directions), but that's not really what this is supposed to be about. I'm (...) (22 years ago, 5-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You're funny Erik! I thought it was an interesting read even if it was weak on conclusion. Chris (22 years ago, 5-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "A fascinating contribution to our ignorance of the topic." "A tour-de-force of admitting to be unable to draw a conclusion." "Remarkably illustrates the refreshing emptiness of sociology." (22 years ago, 4-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Interesting discussion of work by L.F.Richardson and others. (URL) (22 years ago, 4-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Me neither, but I know they have halted some arms shipments in the past. (...) I'll end this with these words from Mosh Dayan: "Our American friends offer us money, arms, and advice. We take the money, we take the arms, and we decline the (...) (22 years ago, 1-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's odd, it’s my understanding that it is against the law to fund raise for the IRA in the USA... I may be wrong(?). By "repressive governments", do you include those who imprison suspects without trial? Interestingly, the UK will not hand (...) (22 years ago, 1-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) How do you figure? (22 years ago, 1-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hi all, Some while back, I remember having read on the newspaper about the LEGO concentration camp controversy, and some of the debate about it; well, today I saw a similar use of LEGO, at least in its intention. I was watching the news on TV, and (...) (22 years ago, 30-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Temporary insanity. -John (22 years ago, 30-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Edinburgh. -John (22 years ago, 30-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I agree with Larry P about wasted breath, but now he is a part of it. If you're listening Larry: Come back to the light. Jeremy P.S. Why do any of you care so much about this that you are cluttering a LEGO website with these messages? (22 years ago, 30-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) John, You said: "Anyone who supports the actions of terrorists is just as culpable as the terrorists themselves." I demonstrated that your tax dollars and your countrymen support "terror". I also shattered you allusion that Israel is a nation (...) (22 years ago, 30-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) hmm. That explains the rain today ;) Scott A Rain: (URL) (...) (22 years ago, 30-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Life must be so deep and profound in your (intellectual) gray one. -John (22 years ago, 30-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm sure Israel is gratful for your support. ;) (...) Life must be so simple in your (little) black & white world! Scott A (22 years ago, 30-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh ya, I agree. But it's what you're up against here in this newsgroup. Until you can make this case (at the meta level), you're stuck. And no one here has been at all effective at making that case in the past. c.f. what happened to me when I (...) (22 years ago, 30-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Isn't that merely deflection; skirting the issue at hand? I talk about Palestininan terrorism, and they shift the focus to *my* supposed support of terrorism. How is that germane? Merely as an attempt to discredit me as a hypocrite? (...) (22 years ago, 30-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I happen to agree with this viewpoint.It's nice and tidy and has a nice absolute finality to it. No equivocating. But it has a big problem. It opens one up to questioning one's own motives. People who want to assail one's position will (...) (22 years ago, 30-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Already did. B-bye John (22 years ago, 30-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (Sorry about the butchered pasting): You: mean that I oppose the actions of both "PLO terrorists" and the Israeli > state. My views on human rights and international law, together with my > understanding of recent middle-east history, leads me (...) (22 years ago, 30-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) George Bush Sr. did actually threaten to cut the US fundings to avoid further Israeli settlements. I don't know if there were any actual cuts, though. I think that with the major US pro-Israeli opinion, it is unrealistic to think that there (...) (22 years ago, 30-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I have no need to: Scott Said: "What about you, do you know *WHY* 911 happened?" John Said: "Look. If you are going to sit there and insinuate that somehow *we* are to blame for 9-11, you are an idiot." Scott Said: "Not my point. Since 911, (...) (22 years ago, 30-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I shall let you think about that... it is full of holes. (...) Either would I, but I don't know all that much about it. Scott A (...) (22 years ago, 30-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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John, this is a rather unique record of the thread. For the record, I did not simply say I was "sympathetic with the Palestinians". I, in fact, said: "Although I do support the right of self defence, I am fundamentally a pacifist in nature. I (...) (22 years ago, 30-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What part of my definition would you consider a distortion? But even with the definition you supplied, I wouldn't call the example Fredrik provided "terrorism". -John I think this is pretty good: (...) (22 years ago, 29-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, it won't ever happen, so what's the point in bringing it up? I may ponder what would happen if Arafat suddenly converted to Judaism, but it's rather a silly notion and not worth discussion. (...) You asked me if I knew why it happened, (...) (22 years ago, 29-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I can't remember ever saying that. I may have pondered what Israel would do if USA stopped giving them ~$2500000000.00 per year (...) I can't remember ever saying that the US "was to blame for 9-11". I suggest you retract that statement. Scott (...) (22 years ago, 29-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Let's just stick to the normal usage/definition of words... not your distorted definition. I think this is pretty good: "Terrorism is the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the (...) (22 years ago, 29-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It was just an oblique reference to what is termed a flame war. My point was merely that if John was going to entirely avoid making any substantive comments, and instead make only personal attacks. I would give him a flame war the likes of (...) (22 years ago, 29-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Time to wrap this up. This whole thing started because you took me to task when I equated the Palestinians with the PLO. I still say that if the Palestinians continue to support PLO terrorists, they are as culpable as terrorists themselves. If (...) (22 years ago, 29-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Where? and obviously more (...) Then refute it and move on. Really, it's outrageous. I expect an apology from you as (...) Then just say it. I said I would imagine you to be one. Never said you were, and now you have set the record straight. (...) (22 years ago, 29-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Could you clarify what you mean by "I will torch this forum" ? That's a rather worrisome remark. As I said before this is a wasted breath exercise. Surely this will get me another (oh so useful) *sigh* from Scott, but in this case it is *all* (...) (22 years ago, 29-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I use the term "terrorism" as the specific, random targeting of civilians for the purpose of terrorizing them. Notice I don't even mention intent other than to terrorize. There is no rationality behind terrorism beyond terrorizing. It is (...) (22 years ago, 29-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think this is a very important point, which I would like to see more focus on. It is a sad fact that occupied people tend to use violent and immoral action against the occupiying force. It should also be noted that such actions, which can be (...) (22 years ago, 29-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) John, After you have done that, perhaps you can reply to this: (URL) A (22 years ago, 29-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think he was comparing people not "systems". (...) Very few occupied peoples do have open and free political systems. The world is full of oppressive regimes... Arafat heads one of them. What you fail to recognise is that Israeli occupation (...) (22 years ago, 29-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Even when that is your own country? Scott A (22 years ago, 29-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Can I assume that you wholly agree with the text you have deleted? (...) You said “never”. I proved you wrong. There appears to be a lot of these “isolated incidents”? How many does it take to prove Israeli belligerence to you? (...) Which books? (...) (22 years ago, 27-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) There are two belligerents in this conflict – you fail to acknowledge that. (...) Shocking is it not? Perhaps we should all just get our news from the Israeli government and its apologists? (...) independent ; “not influenced or controlled in (...) (22 years ago, 27-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is a very thinly qualified attack against myself, and obviously more pointedly against Scott. And I DO take offense that you equate any questioning of your unbelievably myopic viewpoints as being the equivalent of siding with terrorists (...) (22 years ago, 29-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Either side, or just one? betrays a leaning for one side or the (...) That's news to me. The US media isn't "pro-Israel", that's for sure. (...) 1. Scott (and you, I'd imagine) sympathize with the Palestinians. 2. The Palestinians are (...) (22 years ago, 29-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I am sure Scott can speak for himself, but I can't see why questioning the political motives of either side betrays a leaning for one side or the other. Further, I imagine that Scott is working against the perception that news information in (...) (22 years ago, 29-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Is that your "informed" impartial opinion? It doesn't bother me that Liberals have certain ideas and opinions-- that's their right. It's when they try and pass them off as impartial and unbiased that sends me. You claim to not have taken sides (...) (22 years ago, 29-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Even if Arafat had accepted Barak's offer, do you really think the Israeli public would have? Remember, he still had to put it to a referendum. Barak was basically gambling. Scott A (22 years ago, 27-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) When have I said that "PLO terrorism" is justified? John, it is time for you to put-up or shut-up! Scott A (22 years ago, 27-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Comparing the Palestinian "system" with ours is a stretch, and you'd be surprised how many Americans *support* Bush on certain policies (such as terrorism), but putting that aside for the moment... I thought his point was that not all (...) (22 years ago, 27-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If only the Palestinians lived in a Democracy and could get rid of him. I think perhaps this is the problem. As I understand it most, if not all, Arab nations are not Democracies. The people in those states know only what their leaders tell (...) (22 years ago, 27-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think the point Scott is trying to make is that not *all Palestinians* support the PLO, just as not all Americans support Dubya. Therefore, saying that you are against Palestinians (implying *all*) because they support the PLO is not a (...) (22 years ago, 27-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <typing slowly so you will finally get it> The Palestinians *support* the PLO and all of their terrorist activity. The PLO murders *on behalf* of the Palestinians, *with their blessing*. *That* is why I am against them. Let them renounce the (...) (22 years ago, 26-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So, if it is only the PLO terrorists who are uncivilised troublemakers, why are you anti-Palestinian? (...) Let’s just question this. Why did Meir (and her cabinet) turn down a cease-fire offer from Nasser (made via the USA?) on 7th Feb 1970? (...) (22 years ago, 26-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Great! When will he go on trial? When will his victims be compensated? Given Israel’s strong record in tracking down war criminals from WW2, it would be hypocracy if he was not put on trial would it not? (...) Indeed it was. But Sabra and (...) (22 years ago, 25-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think this is false, can you justify it? Let's just look at one front. The claimed issue for engaging Syria was that Israeli farmers were being harassed by the Syrians - they (the farmers) made a presentation to the Israeli cabinet which (...) (22 years ago, 25-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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*sigh* Scott A =+= Have you inspected Arthur’s Seat yet? (URL) reasonable man adapts himself to suit his environment. An unreasonable man persists in attempting to adapt his environment to suit himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the (...) (22 years ago, 25-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I have to question your evidence of such desire on the part of the people. Here in the Bay Area of California I often express myself as I see fit, I feel free and safe to do so. When I lived in a suburbs of Chicago I felt less free to discuss (...) (22 years ago, 25-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Who can say why the offer was rejected? Arafat is a Grade A loser and the Palestinians should get rid of him. At the same time, I saw it as an act of bad faith on the part of the Israelis to vote Sharon into office considering the sort of (...) (22 years ago, 25-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Barak offer Arafat in one of the "agreements" a palestinian state in the west bank and gaza, including a capital in east Jerusalem? and was turned down, because Arafat wanted more? (...) well, I can see why (...) (22 years ago, 24-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Doing the only thing they can? Strapping bombs to themselves and blowing up women, kids, houses and villages? Only thing they can?? I don't care what the world could throw at me, there will *never* come a time when I would feel justified to (...) (22 years ago, 24-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This makes it seem that you don't understand how we "fight terrorism" on stage and toss terrorists scraps under the table. Do you really believe all that one-sided Amerika is the land of goodness tripe? We are a political entity and we do evil (...) (22 years ago, 24-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So far I think we're all on the same page. (...) How has this been made apparent? This is not apparent to me. What is apparent to me is that they want territories that Israel stole in the 60s back and they aren't willing to compromise on it. (...) (22 years ago, 24-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I was referring to PLO *terrorists*. (...) Never said that. What would Israel know of peace?? She has never been allowed to exist in peace! Yes, Israel *would like* to exist in peace, but for now, Israel would just like to exist, period. (...) (...) (22 years ago, 24-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) John, Your whole thesis appears to be: 1) Arabs/Palestinians are uncivilised troublemakers. 2) Israel is a peace loving nation. 3) There is an international anti-Israeli media conspiracy which distorts reality. However, to date, you have (...) (22 years ago, 24-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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IMHO, subject says it all. Most of the participants know this already, so a "wasted breath alert" is in itself wasted breath, I guess. I don't see a lot of movement happening. Remember who you're dealing with, everyone. All parties already know how (...) (22 years ago, 24-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What Sharon did *ALMOST 50 YEARS AGO* was wrong-- Israel itself is not proud of some of those early day policies. But that was a long, long, time ago. Times have changed, and so has Israel's policies. Citing events that occured almost a half (...) (22 years ago, 24-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Arabs have been the dominant culture in “Palestine” for well over 1000 years (700ad?). However, as I understand it, that last Jewish kingdom in the M.E. ended in ~400-500BC - But I'm open to correction on that(!). Many cultures and (...) (22 years ago, 24-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I agree that you can't always hold the people responsible to what the leaders do, but wouldn't you agree that sometimes when it's clear that the leader is doing what the people want, the people _should_ be held responsible? (...) nod... but (...) (22 years ago, 24-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I found that article pretty sketchy on facts I could agree readily agree with. The author of that article pointedly equates criticism of Israel with "Jew hatred" -- which to my mind is NOT the same thing at all. Hatred of a people for no reason is (...) (22 years ago, 24-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But yet, you refuse to condemn Israeli terrorism! Or even acknowledge the role of your own country in supporting terrorism. You claim all Palestinian’s are "PLO terrorists". You are unable to acknowledge the most simple of truths about Israel. (...) (22 years ago, 24-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ha, nice try. But you are too clever by half. There *is* no country "Palestine". Why not? But thank you for the invitation, but I care not to sympathize with homicidal terrorists, no matter what their plight. Terrorism is *wrong* and *evil*, (...) (22 years ago, 23-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Who knows? I don't doubt that these views exist. I don't doubt that the there are those who have the same views on just about any race or religion. I don't doubt that the rather colourful metaphors used as part of some cultures make things (...) (22 years ago, 23-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Good point! We should look with more sympathy on the actions of the Palestinians given their plight. Chris (22 years ago, 23-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) lol sorry, guess I didn't parse that too well through space:-) (...) lol again, if it were that easy to shut down Scott, it would be employed *more* often>;-) There's no 'wiggle room', room for (...) I would certainly say that to a reasonable (...) (22 years ago, 23-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Here's another question to help reduce my ignorance: what's the source of the claims that I've heard again and again and again and again in the various media that the PLO in particular and vocal extremist groups in the Arab world in general (...) (22 years ago, 23-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I was kinda going for a tongue-in-cheek thing there. It was a 'Hatred exists because of intolerance, you idiot!' thing--saying 'you idiot' expressing hatred and intolerance. You go on to say that what you should have sid in the first place, (...) (22 years ago, 23-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) D A N G E R ! Big mistake Dave. You are being objective. This is nothing but evidence of: a) Your bias. b) Your support for "PLO terrorists". c) The power of the international anti-Israeli media conspiracy. In the future, try to view this as a (...) (22 years ago, 23-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) *sigh* (...) 2 Examples of Israel's terrorism: 1. How would you describe what Ariel Sharon done to the village of Qibya in 1953? 2. How about their planned attacks on cinemas inside Egypt? Scott A (22 years ago, 23-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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John, I started by saying you were jumping to conclusions, now I feel you are avoiding the conclusion. I had hoped that your formal study of the “Israeli-Arab Dilemma” would mean that I would be provided with some meaningful insight into the current (...) (22 years ago, 23-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So what's a Palestinian to do? Speak out against the PLO? Peacemakers aren't very welcome in the Arab world--just ask Sadat's widow. (...) None really, except to note that the US media is getting *so* biased that it is surprising even itself. (...) (22 years ago, 22-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No reason? I think you definitely had a reason. But if it is to imply that I hate Scott, you're wrong. I disagree with him, and I called him an idiot because what he proposed was idiocy-- that's all. (...) Which "heinous war crimes" is Israel (...) (22 years ago, 22-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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