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Re: Peace in the Mid-East?
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Wed, 24 Apr 2002 20:43:37 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dan Boger writes:
> > What I have a problem with is that apparently, Arafat
> > (and that may or may not reflect the palestinian people) wants that country
> > to be the whole of Israel...
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> How has this been made apparent? This is not apparent to me.
correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Barak offer Arafat in one of the
"agreements" a palestinian state in the west bank and gaza, including a
capital in east Jerusalem? and was turned down, because Arafat wanted more?
> What is apparent to me is that they want territories that Israel stole in the
> 60s back and they aren't willing to compromise on it. Maybe they should and
> maybe not. How compromising would you be if I took something of yours a while
> back?
well, I can see why Israel _had_ to take those territories in '67 - it comes
down to the "defensible borders" thing... Besides, Israel conquored the
west bank from Jordan - if anything, it should be returned to Jordan, not to
the PA.
> > I beileve Israel is willing to co-exists with a
> > "Palestine", and I don't see the same willingness no the other side.
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> What exactly is "a "Palestine"?" And what makes you believe that they're
> willing to coexist? Their record doesn't seem to support such a notion. Do
> you think that something critical in the Israeli group-think has changed?
what do you see that tells you that Israel doesn't want to co-exist? My
opinion comes from talking to many Israelis (not counting my opinion being
an israeli opinion to begin with), and it comes down to this: If the PA
wants their own state in the west bank, great, give it to them. But no one
trusts the PA (currently) not to use that state to launch attacks against
the rest of Israel. And that's the problem, as I see it.
Dan
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| (...) Who can say why the offer was rejected? Arafat is a Grade A loser and the Palestinians should get rid of him. At the same time, I saw it as an act of bad faith on the part of the Israelis to vote Sharon into office considering the sort of (...) (23 years ago, 25-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) I think this is false, can you justify it? Let's just look at one front. The claimed issue for engaging Syria was that Israeli farmers were being harassed by the Syrians - they (the farmers) made a presentation to the Israeli cabinet which (...) (23 years ago, 25-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) So far I think we're all on the same page. (...) How has this been made apparent? This is not apparent to me. What is apparent to me is that they want territories that Israel stole in the 60s back and they aren't willing to compromise on it. (...) (23 years ago, 24-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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