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Re: Cease fire (was: Re: Peace in the Mid-East?)
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Tue, 30 Apr 2002 17:19:56 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes:
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> > > > Anyone who supports the actions of
> > > > terrorists is just as culpable as the terrorists themselves.
> > >
> > > I happen to agree with this viewpoint.It's nice and tidy and has a nice
> > > absolute finality to it. No equivocating. But it has a big problem. It opens
> > > one up to questioning one's own motives.
> > >
> > > People who want to assail one's position will (rightly) point out that you
> > > yourself have supported terrorists before.
> >
> > Isn't that merely deflection; skirting the issue at hand? I talk about
> > Palestininan terrorism, and they shift the focus to *my* supposed support of
> > terrorism. How is that germane? Merely as an attempt to discredit me as a
> > hypocrite? "Everyone's hands are dirty, so we can't judge"? I don't buy it.
John,
You said:
"Anyone who supports the actions of terrorists is just as culpable as the
terrorists themselves."
I demonstrated that your tax dollars and your countrymen support "terror". I
also shattered you allusion that Israel is a nation in search of peace – I
proved their belligerence. No big deal.
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> Oh ya, I agree. But it's what you're up against here in this newsgroup.
> Until you can make this case (at the meta level), you're stuck. And no one
> here has been at all effective at making that case in the past. c.f. what
> happened to me when I tried to argue with Dan J. that there was a difference
> in degree between Israel and the PLO... went nowhere.
Larry,
Indeed it did not, as you could not justify your own words:
http://news.lugnet.com/off-topic/debate/?n=10252
Did you ever?
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> Hence debating this topic (and many others as well) is a waste of breath...
> no common ground.
This may sound odd, but I have found it educational. I hope others have too.
> Note that decrying the tactic itself only works if you yourself have never
> used it, and I fail on that regard since I've lambasted Scott for the UK's
> egregious mishandling of internal and external affairs, especially w.r.t.
> Palestine (I still consider the original partition of UK admined palestine
> as a big part of the current problem)
You may well *consider* that to be the case, but without putting meat on the
bones it is hard to figure out just what you mean?
Scott A
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