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Re: Peace in the Mid-East?
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Fri, 10 May 2002 08:25:27 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Mike Petrucelli writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Mike Petrucelli writes:
> > > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Mike Petrucelli writes:
> > > > Here is an Article by Mona Charen. I think anyone who cares about the • subject
> > > > should read it.
> > >
> > > The link now refers to the April 26th article, the May 3rd is worth reading
> > > too.
> > >
> > > http://www.creators.com/opinion_show.cfm?next=2&ColumnsName=mch
> >
> >
> > More objective reporting from Mona. Has she ever criticized Israel?
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> Well I have been reading her articles for about 2 years now. She does not side
> with either conservatives or liberals all the time.
That is *not* what I asked
> Her opinions (and I do
> understand it is an opinion) are formed with the facts at hand.
Not "the facts", just the "facts at hand"? What are her information sources?
AIPAC?
> The simple
> fact is that everyone who has heavily researched the facts first hand and not
> the propaganda from both sides has come to the same conclusion. Certainly
> Israelies are not the inocent victims they portray themselves to be. But they
> are much closer to that end rather than the evil oppressors Palestinians
> portray them to be.
They may not be the "evil oppressors Palestinians portray them to be", but
they are still evil oppressors. Just take a look at the human rights reports
from the occupied territories.
“[There are] daily acts of discrimination, inequality, humiliation, and the
powerlessness of occupation. This has been intensified by the conflict,
intensified by the excessive use of force” - UN Human Rights Commissioner
Mary Robinson
from:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_1043000/1043537.stm
Is she lying?
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> > Even if every word were true, and the reality were worse, it does not
> > justify what the Israeli’s are doing. As my granny used to say: two wrongs
> > do not make a right.
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> As Mona Charen stated;
> "Why do those who accuse Israel of "excessive" force against the Palestinians
> not consider that the easiest course for Israel, if she truly had no
> compunctions about causing civilian casualties, would have been to attack Jenin
> and other terror nests from the skies (as we did in Afghanistan),
Indeed, the Palestinians should be grateful they have not been "nuked".
> instead of
> going house-to-house, risking (and losing) the lives of her soldiers?"
In Jenin, they forced Palestinians into the houses first... very brave of them:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_1937000/1937599.stm
“Israeli soldiers have forced Palestinians at gunpoint to open suspicious
packages, knock on suspects' doors and search the houses of Palestinians
wanted by Israel”
> >
> > I would have had a great deal more respect for Israeli human rights and
> > openness if they had allowed the UN into Jenin. They did not. What is more,
> > Sharon saw fit to thank the USA for helping him avoid exposure:
> > http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4409055,00.html
> >
> > What does he have to hide?
No answer? Has the cat got your tongue?
Why does he get so much support from the US? Perhaps this is why:
http://www.wrmea.com/html/aipac.htm
> >
> > > (if only ignoring the problem would make it go away)
> >
> > The world has been ignoring the problem since '67... and before. The problem
> > is Israel and its apologists. If they had chosen to abide by UN resolutions,
> > this would largely be history. The Intifada is a result of
> > desperation/oppression, not a unilateral act of war.
>
> I assume you did not read the May 3rd article.
> http://www.creators.com/opinion_show.cfm?next=1&ColumnsName=mch
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> The Arab countries and the PLO are the ones who have been keeping the
> Palestinians in a state of desperation/oppression
Even if that is true, and the reality were worse, Israel's actions force
them into the hands of Arafat… and worse. Look at how Hamas has gained
strength since Sharon came to power. Do you really think that is a
coincidence? Think about it for one second!
Scott A
> and blaming the Israelies for
> it.
>
> -Mike Petrucelli
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| (...) side (...) The statement was a validation of Mona Charen not mindlessly accepting Government Propaganda from either side of the issue. (...) Primary source research, not the "News." (...) they (...) 18 months of suicide bombings will have that (...) (22 years ago, 11-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Grow up. (...) Do you really think so? I really don't. The Intifada is a result of (...) What we are talking about here are two separate issues, which have been uniquely intertwined by Islamic extremists. First, you have the issue of autonomy (...) (22 years ago, 11-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) subject (...) Well I have been reading her articles for about 2 years now. She does not side with either conservatives or liberals all the time. Her opinions (and I do understand it is an opinion) are formed with the facts at hand. The simple (...) (22 years ago, 10-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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