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(...) So far I think we're all on the same page. (...) How has this been made apparent? This is not apparent to me. What is apparent to me is that they want territories that Israel stole in the 60s back and they aren't willing to compromise on it. (...) (22 years ago, 24-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I was referring to PLO *terrorists*. (...) Never said that. What would Israel know of peace?? She has never been allowed to exist in peace! Yes, Israel *would like* to exist in peace, but for now, Israel would just like to exist, period. (...) (...) (22 years ago, 24-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) John, Your whole thesis appears to be: 1) Arabs/Palestinians are uncivilised troublemakers. 2) Israel is a peace loving nation. 3) There is an international anti-Israeli media conspiracy which distorts reality. However, to date, you have (...) (22 years ago, 24-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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IMHO, subject says it all. Most of the participants know this already, so a "wasted breath alert" is in itself wasted breath, I guess. I don't see a lot of movement happening. Remember who you're dealing with, everyone. All parties already know how (...) (22 years ago, 24-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What Sharon did *ALMOST 50 YEARS AGO* was wrong-- Israel itself is not proud of some of those early day policies. But that was a long, long, time ago. Times have changed, and so has Israel's policies. Citing events that occured almost a half (...) (22 years ago, 24-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Arabs have been the dominant culture in “Palestine” for well over 1000 years (700ad?). However, as I understand it, that last Jewish kingdom in the M.E. ended in ~400-500BC - But I'm open to correction on that(!). Many cultures and (...) (22 years ago, 24-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I agree that you can't always hold the people responsible to what the leaders do, but wouldn't you agree that sometimes when it's clear that the leader is doing what the people want, the people _should_ be held responsible? (...) nod... but (...) (22 years ago, 24-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I found that article pretty sketchy on facts I could agree readily agree with. The author of that article pointedly equates criticism of Israel with "Jew hatred" -- which to my mind is NOT the same thing at all. Hatred of a people for no reason is (...) (22 years ago, 24-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But yet, you refuse to condemn Israeli terrorism! Or even acknowledge the role of your own country in supporting terrorism. You claim all Palestinian’s are "PLO terrorists". You are unable to acknowledge the most simple of truths about Israel. (...) (22 years ago, 24-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ha, nice try. But you are too clever by half. There *is* no country "Palestine". Why not? But thank you for the invitation, but I care not to sympathize with homicidal terrorists, no matter what their plight. Terrorism is *wrong* and *evil*, (...) (22 years ago, 23-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Who knows? I don't doubt that these views exist. I don't doubt that the there are those who have the same views on just about any race or religion. I don't doubt that the rather colourful metaphors used as part of some cultures make things (...) (22 years ago, 23-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Good point! We should look with more sympathy on the actions of the Palestinians given their plight. Chris (22 years ago, 23-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) lol sorry, guess I didn't parse that too well through space:-) (...) lol again, if it were that easy to shut down Scott, it would be employed *more* often>;-) There's no 'wiggle room', room for (...) I would certainly say that to a reasonable (...) (22 years ago, 23-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Here's another question to help reduce my ignorance: what's the source of the claims that I've heard again and again and again and again in the various media that the PLO in particular and vocal extremist groups in the Arab world in general (...) (22 years ago, 23-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I was kinda going for a tongue-in-cheek thing there. It was a 'Hatred exists because of intolerance, you idiot!' thing--saying 'you idiot' expressing hatred and intolerance. You go on to say that what you should have sid in the first place, (...) (22 years ago, 23-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) D A N G E R ! Big mistake Dave. You are being objective. This is nothing but evidence of: a) Your bias. b) Your support for "PLO terrorists". c) The power of the international anti-Israeli media conspiracy. In the future, try to view this as a (...) (22 years ago, 23-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) *sigh* (...) 2 Examples of Israel's terrorism: 1. How would you describe what Ariel Sharon done to the village of Qibya in 1953? 2. How about their planned attacks on cinemas inside Egypt? Scott A (22 years ago, 23-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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John, I started by saying you were jumping to conclusions, now I feel you are avoiding the conclusion. I had hoped that your formal study of the “Israeli-Arab Dilemma” would mean that I would be provided with some meaningful insight into the current (...) (22 years ago, 23-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So what's a Palestinian to do? Speak out against the PLO? Peacemakers aren't very welcome in the Arab world--just ask Sadat's widow. (...) None really, except to note that the US media is getting *so* biased that it is surprising even itself. (...) (22 years ago, 22-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No reason? I think you definitely had a reason. But if it is to imply that I hate Scott, you're wrong. I disagree with him, and I called him an idiot because what he proposed was idiocy-- that's all. (...) Which "heinous war crimes" is Israel (...) (22 years ago, 22-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You said: 1. “Sorry, there isn't one. “ 2. “The PLO represent the Palestinians.” 3. “Whatever the PLO does, the Palestinians support them.” 4. “Anyone who supports the actions of terrorists is just as culpable as the terrorists themselves.” (...) (22 years ago, 22-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Indeed, as an objective news source, this is right up there with the IDF site! ;-) Scott A (...) (22 years ago, 22-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes: <snip> (...) <snip> (...) <snip> (...) I just thought that those two lines should be viewed together. No reason... Just because the atrocity is sanctioned by the government, it doesn't make the atrocity (...) (22 years ago, 22-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) that at least some people do get it. :) Dan (22 years ago, 22-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Here is an Article by Mona Charen. I think anyone who cares about the subject should read it. As of posting the link refers to her April 5th article. Her April 12th article is worth reading as well. (URL) Main Creators Syndicate Page is here (URL) (...) (22 years ago, 22-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think I clarified that. I said that if they *support* terrorists, they are as *culpable* as terrorists. Since the PLO represents them, they are in the unfortunate position of supporting terrorism. They are being woefully misled. Or (...) (...) (22 years ago, 22-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I said: "My views on human rights and international law, together with my understanding of recent middle-east history, leads me to sympathize with the Palestinian people, not with "PLO terrorists". I hope you understand the distinction between (...) (22 years ago, 22-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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An interesting article by George PAcker in NYT - free reg reqd. "In some ways, global satellite TV and Internet access have actually made the world a less understanding, less tolerant place. What the media provide is superficial familiarity -- (...) (22 years ago, 22-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Having this discussion with you is futile-- I *never* said that I thought all Palestinians are terrorists. From your "sighs" in previous posts, it seems to me that you think that you have such a superior command of facts. Have you ever been to (...) (22 years ago, 22-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I shall let Dan answer that. ;) Scott A (...) (22 years ago, 21-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I did not expect an answer from you on this. The reality is that anyone who did celebrate the loss of life on September-11 probably would view those killed as being supporters of the “Zionist oppressor/aggressor/whatever”. That is, in the same (...) (22 years ago, 21-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And is a jest any less legitimate than any other form of art? ROSCO (22 years ago, 19-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Nicely said! The second someone's actions negatively impact on someone else, is where the line is drawn. If a person gets his kicks by reading dirty magazines, he has the freedom to do so. If he leaves the magazine laying around for kids to (...) (22 years ago, 19-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sorry-- couldn't resist:-) (...) It is an interesting scenario. I am not for the government restricting the rights of adults so much as I am concerned about protecting minors from disgusting things adults like to do. Although she *is* free to (...) (22 years ago, 19-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) *sigh* (...) In 1953, a unit under command of Ariel Sharon, attacked the village of Qibya in Jordan 60+ were murdered. The day after the attack a UN observer said that the IDF had forced civilians to stay in their homes whilst they were (...) (22 years ago, 19-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes: These beliefs (...) Sorry, there isn't one. The PLO represent the Palestinians. Whatever the PLO does, the Palestinians support them. Anyone who supports the actions of terrorists is just as culpable (...) (22 years ago, 19-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Um, arguably if you were to place the AR in the context of the overall NA colonial struggle, as just one part of the entire multiparty "war" (other parts included the French and Indian war, and the War of 1812, as well as undeclared naval wars (...) (22 years ago, 19-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Scott A" <eh105jb@mx1.pair.com> wrote in message news:Gut7s7.IoD@lugnet.com... (...) Except when they meet at Wembley :-) Though I see there is talk of them re-introducing the Home Championship Smart move - they need someone to finish of the (...) (22 years ago, 19-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah, it was especially great the way he exhorted us to rage, rage against the dying of the light. Dave! (22 years ago, 19-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) like Independance Day--I really liked the Presidents speech - the world united with one voice--'we shall not go quietly into the night...' etc. Sometimes I wish there was an external threat to humanity, cause that would put all these petty (...) (22 years ago, 19-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(snip) (...) Interestingly, UNRWA ran an ad in my paper today: (URL) A (snip) (...) (snip) (22 years ago, 19-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys writes: <snip> (...) Huh? I'm pretty sure that there was a clear victor in the American Revolution, otherwise our money would still have a picture of the Queen on it. (no real comment on why Canada is here (...) (22 years ago, 19-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As did the British Empire and the United States. Why? There was no 'clear victory' of either side in that war ('cause like, Canada's still here :) ) but, bottom line, imho,-- education. First it was war. Then realizing that neither party was (...) (22 years ago, 19-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sorry, I may have misunderstood your tone a little(!). (...) Scotland & England worked it out in the end... Scott A (...) (22 years ago, 19-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ROFLMAO!!!! Jude (22 years ago, 19-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I would love to see the cognitive process your mind went through to reach (jump to) that conclusion. Although I do support the right of self defence, I am fundamentally a pacifist in nature. I believe strongly that we should uphold human (...) (22 years ago, 19-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) :-O Scott A (22 years ago, 19-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Richard, I wouldn't take anything too personally in .debate, I sure has heck don't. It's just a outlet for for sharing of ideas and thoughts, and I don't think that anything we say in this group is going to change any kind of world policy. So (...) (22 years ago, 19-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) First let it be said that I don't enjoy the idea of war, I have never personally fought in one and hope I never do, nor do I hope my son has to. (I did spend 5 years with the Sheriff's but that's a whole different kind of battle). What I am (...) (22 years ago, 19-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I was wondering where you were making the connection between my image and the Holocaust set and you cleared it up perfectly well. Thanks! Most people who know me very well, know I like to build rather off the wall models and my subjects aren't (...) (22 years ago, 19-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes: While in college I met a 20-year-old woman with Turner's syndrome; (...) Wow. Even amoebas have more than that, IIRC..... (...) (22 years ago, 19-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, maybe there's people in the world that know even less about said conflict (URL) (22 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) There's the Christian ideal, 'Hate the sin, not the sinner'. Name calling (a la 'scum') does not help in resolution of the problem. Quoting Pastor Doug Mckenzie " My topic today is bugs... Everyone hates bugs But why kill them, If everyone (...) (22 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) There's that word again. And here's another anecdote from my storied history: While in college I met a 20-year-old woman with Turner's syndrome; she had only a single chromosome, she never developed secondary sexual characteristics, and she (...) (22 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Have you read the proposed law? It was far to broad to enacted or objectively enforced. Any movie that portrayed high schoolers in adult situations, nothing graphic mind you, would be considered child pornography under this law. That is only a (...) (22 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "Perverse" is an emotionalism in this context so should probably be avoided in a serious debate on the subject. However, when I was younger (goodness gracious--when I was *half* my current age!!!!) I had several friends taking something like (...) (22 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah, I thought he was from England;-) (...) Yes, leave it to the scum to circumvent law to appease their perversions. The slippery slope slants both ways. Our society will be hurt by this. -John (22 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think I'll try at a definition I can live with: Art is that which is created/performed/presented with the intent of invoking an emotional reaction from those to whom it is presented. Child porn - Art? Only if it's the intent of the (...) (22 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Warning! Dave Koudys is espousing Libertarian rhetoric in the above :-) (...) Just as a note, the US Supreme Court ruled on this very topic this week and for once, by 5 to 4, got it right. (they ruled that depictions of acts by adults in a way (...) (22 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hey Y'all: I am going to drop out of the ME conflict discussion, in particular as pertains to my supposed "scariness." Frankly, I don't respect the other debaters enough to care what they do or do not think of me -- and I base this lack of respect (...) (22 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I can't believe that after all these years, i still do the \'s wrong at times :) (URL) (22 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Am *I* comfortable with it? Not at all. As stated, I didn't appreciate a red stripe on a black canvas. That was just a stripe! There is a bigger picture, and I think the history of my posts have said again and again--I have the freedom to do (...) (22 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) My favorite definition of art, as coined by Scott McCloud is: Art is that which is created not out of the basic need for survival. I like this definition because it is completely objective. I don't appreciate some art, but that doesn't mean (...) (22 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, I don't watch TV much, so I wouldn't know... (...) So you are comfortable calling a image depicting child molestation art, merely because the slime who created it says it is? So what use is art, if it's anything and everything anyone (...) (22 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, I gotta go with Scott on this one-- I definitely think the Holocaust sets were, and were intended to be, art. Controversial art certainly, but art nonetheless. I get the feeling from Dan that his work was intended to be silly, and not (...) (22 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Guilt as charged-- I guess that one slipped out:-) (...) A hot button issue for me, as I stated elsewhere, and no time to delve into it now, but here is the short of it. I realize that a definition of art is elusive at best, but I am more (...) (22 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh what was that quote from West Wing--Republicans being 'small-minded, xenophobic, anti-choice, gun worshipping...' oh I can't remember--going to have to watch a tape tonite! :) Yes, in *your* opinion, the holocaust set were not art. In *my* (...) (22 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I disagree only because I don't see these as competing views! In my view, the artist is no more or less an observer than anyone else, when it comes to viewing/judging/interpreting the work. To that end, "art is what the artist says is art," (...) (22 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is a hot button issue for me, because I really dislike a definition of art to be "anything"-- it's useless IMO. (...) An artist can call the sky pink, but that doesn't make it so. More hot buttons:-) (...) I'd bet BPS wouldn't agree with (...) (22 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Easy there, fireball, lest we accuse you of being a Typical Conservative--santimoniousness, arrogance, bigotry, misogyny, homophobia, and an irrepressible zeal for curtailing others' rights to expression. Naturally I'd never want to paint a (...) (22 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And since this topic/discussion/issue is so convoluted to begin with, *not* clarifying what a person meant will really help the situation. True understanding comes with discourse, thru talking about it, with listening to other people's POV. (...) (22 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I certainly won't argue that point... at least not at this time. (...) but I would assert that there are at least two competing definitions of art: "art is in the eye of the beholder" "art is what the artist says is art" Under the first (...) (22 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That is a result of your pre-conceived notions. You sympathize with PLO terrorists and so you feel it comes off negative. I abhor PLO terrorists and not coincidently, I found it amusing. In the same way, I find mockery in the Brick Testament. (...) (22 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I said *think* about it. Think of major conflicts and how they were eventually resolved. (...) Well, it's pretty self-evident IMO. If you don't realize it right away, I doubt any amount of explanation would help you understand anyway. -John (22 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) quoteth James (...) Victory can bring us peace? What, at the annihilation of one side or the other? True, that's peace, since you now have no one that disagrees with you. Further, if you think victory doesn't necessitate a complete total party (...) (22 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Scott & All, (Ach, too many Scott's in here! : ) ) (...) Not really, as I have said before, they both have that shock value, regardless of the debate aspects of both subjects. I was shocked when I saw both, actually. (...) Well, there has been a lot (...) (22 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Dan & All, It seems funny this goes right into debate, since I have not posted here for a variety of reasons in many moons. (...) Did I ever say that? No. All I said is that it your creation, along with the Holocaust Sets, seem to have the same (...) (22 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I agree with this, but I think he meant it to be rather negative. For the record, I think Scott was not quite correct. In my opinion, the Holocaust sets can be considered to be "art", whereas I feel Dan's intention was a jest. Of course, it (...) (22 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Perhaps you could explain this a little more so that the "wisdom" may be appreciated? (...) Perhaps you could explain (as I think nobody else has despite requests) why it is so disturbing? Scott A (...) (22 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) started (...) the (...) What am I missing here? What is the link between Dann's pic, Scott's comment & "official USA doctrine"? Scott A (...) (22 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's more or less what I was saying too. (22 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Maybe because what James said happens to be true-- you need to think about history to appreciate its wisdom. I will go on record as to saying that Richard's post in question was probably the most disturbing I've ever read in this forum as (...) (22 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Now that I think of it, there's another interpretation of Scott's post that I don't believe has been considered. Maybe Scott's point can be paraphrased as "Wow. As commentary-in-LEGO, that ranks..." I absolutely don't presume to put words in (...) (22 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Larry Pieniazek" <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message news:Guq6vs.DKE@lugnet.com... (...) Lego bricks (...) that any (...) offensive (...) Lego(r) (...) of (...) inappropriate (...) picking a (...) they (...) satire. (...) a (...) as (...) (...) (22 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I was tempted to reply to James with "this is one of the scariest, most disturbing posts I've ever read on LUGNET."... but I thought I had better not! ;) Scott A (...) (22 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Can you substantiate this using an independent source? My understanding is that schools in places like Jenin are mostly run by UNRWA, are you saying that they operate in the manner you describe? From the UNRWA: ==+== The Palestine refugee (...) (22 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) People that prize peace do not express themselves in terms of "complete military victory." And you think I make scarey comments? I think Israel already has complete superiority by way of arms. Why don't they just march on in and commit (...) (22 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The Palestinian people have been taught, almost since birth, to hate Israel and Jews. You can’t find a map in a Palestinian school that shows the nation of Israel. The hatred is deep and intense … and no negotiations or negotiated peace (...) (22 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Y'know, these ad hominem attacks are quite annoying. Do y'all think you improve understanding of a pointedly pro-Israel perspective without providing any kind of REAL argument to favor your views? James' original assertions were tripe, practically (...) (22 years ago, 17-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You are entitled to your own opinion, however wrong it is (as in this case). I've seen that happen lots of times before. -John (22 years ago, 17-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Man, do I ever feel despondent… I've been here for over 2 years and I'm still second-string to the ‘other’ Richard… (no matter how much he likes me) ;) ~After all, we’ve got two totally different signatures: Mr. Marchetti has the clever, (...) (22 years ago, 17-Apr-02, to lugnet.people, lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.fun, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Your English usage is still quite excellent nevertheless! :) (...) Different individual. (But that’s already been clarified.) Usually when I make a point I endeavor to debate the issues and not the character of the individual. (...) I do (...) (22 years ago, 17-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Scott: Many thanks for the information about the Guardian. The hard copy will not be necessary, but I appreciate the offer very much. -- Hop-Frog (22 years ago, 17-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Scott would have to speak for himself on what he meant (and he doesn't always read .debate so may miss this unless notified by email, and even then may choose not to respond at all)... but I did not take what he said as either of those things. (...) (22 years ago, 17-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Scott, I have to ask if you are suggesting that it's innapropriate to use Lego bricks for the expression of social-political satire? Or are you suggesting that any social-political commentary outside official USA doctrine to be as offensive (...) (22 years ago, 17-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Scott A" <eh105jb@mx1.pair.com> wrote in message news:GupGzn.7J5@lugnet.com... (...) you (...) with a (...) their (...) use (...) record. (...) I wasn't making any judgement. Just saying what was reported on the BBC news. lawrence (22 years ago, 17-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Larry Pieniazek" <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message news:GuJFqI.KG9@lugnet.com... (...) the (...) airplanes (...) interesting (...) (URL) (22 years ago, 17-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The BBC has a charter that says it must be 100% independent/impartial... and this is checked quite thoroughly. The Guardian is an independent newspaper (owned by a trust) which is free to print what it wishes without being libellous. It (...) (22 years ago, 17-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Look at Israel’s history since ’47. Look at the current conflict. Do you think Sharon sent in the army and imposed a virtual press blackout with a plan to drink sweet tea, hand out fruit and talk peace? Really? The Palestinian's agree it (...) (22 years ago, 17-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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