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Re: Conflict in the Middle East
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Thu, 18 Apr 2002 07:59:24 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, James Trobaugh writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti writes:
> > I dismiss outright the assertion that either side has ANY MORE RIGHT than
> > their neighbors to live in that part of the world. I dismiss outright any
> > attempt to raise religious beliefs as if they were as rigorous or as
> > important as historical facts. I dismiss any attempt to stall talks of
> > peace simply because of ongoing violence -- the whole point is to STOP THE
> > VIOLENCE!
> >
> > The very state of war is dehumanizing, it makes its participants into
> > something less reasonable than even the most ill-tempered animals. Neither
> > side is innocent in this dispute. Any attempts to pretend otherwise is
> > obviously propaganda for one side or the other.
> >
> > I favor peace, and I try very hard to not take sides. I wish some of you
> > could do the same. If everyone did this, we might just achieve that
> > increasingly rare thing -- peace!
>
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> The Palestinian people have been taught, almost since birth, to hate Israel
> and Jews. You can’t find a map in a Palestinian school that shows the
> nation of Israel.
Can you substantiate this using an independent source? My understanding is
that schools in places like Jenin are mostly run by UNRWA, are you saying
that they operate in the manner you describe?
From the UNRWA:
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The Palestine refugee community has traditionally placed great emphasis on
education as the key to a better future. Despite often difficult
circumstances, Palestinians are one of the most highly educated groups in
the Middle East. This achievement has been made possible in large part by
the contribution of UNRWA in educating three generations of refugees.
UNRWA operates one of the largest school systems in the Middle East and has
been the main provider of basic education to Palestine refugees for nearly
five decades. The Agency provides primary and junior secondary schooling
free of charge for all Palestine refugee children in the area of operations.
Vocational and technical training courses are given in the eight UNRWA
vocational training centres. The Agency also runs an extensive
teacher-training programme, and offers university scholarships to qualified
refugee youth.
==+==
The Mitchell report states quite clearly that both sides expressed concerns
about hateful language and images emanating from the other in school
curricula. Do you accept that?
Scott A
> The hatred is deep and intense … and no negotiations or
> negotiated peace agreements are going to bring peace to this situation. The
> homicide bombings will continue. The only way for a true peace to become a
> reality in the Middle East is for one side or the other to achieve a
> complete military victory.
The complete military victory was achieved in '67.
Scott A
> Appeasement got us where we are … victory can
> bring peace.
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> > Actually believing that some group of people somewhere in the world thinks
> > and acts in a substantially different manner than oneself is probably some
> > kind of mental illness.
>
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> "Mental illness" to believe that people around the world act and live
> differently that myself? Do you not watch the news or at least the Discovery
> channel? There are thousands of different cultures all over the world with
> different ideas on how to act and think. I personally don't live with the
> idea that it's ok let my son go out into the world with explosives strapped
> to his body and become a homicide bomb, but there seems to be a some groups
> of people that believe this is a valid idea and support it. Am I suffering
> from a metal illness for believing this fact about other people?
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> > There is no "Us and Them" -- there is just Us.
>
> When it comes down to protecting my family and my families' way of life
> there is a "us and them", "us" being the people who enjoy the freedoms that
> my country has and the "them" is those who wish to take those freedoms away.
> I do believe that all men (and women) are created equal, but what each
> person does with their lives after that moment is where the problems seem to
> occur.
>
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> >
> > -- Hop-Frog
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| (...) The Palestinian people have been taught, almost since birth, to hate Israel and Jews. You can’t find a map in a Palestinian school that shows the nation of Israel. The hatred is deep and intense … and no negotiations or negotiated peace (...) (23 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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