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Re: Conflict in the Middle East
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, James Trobaugh writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti writes:
> > > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, James Trobaugh writes:
> > > > The only way for a true peace to become a reality in the Middle East is for
> > > > one side or the other to achieve a complete military victory. Appeasement
> > > > got us where we are
victory can bring peace.
> > >
> > > People that prize peace do not express themselves in terms of "complete
> > > military victory." And you think I make scarey comments?
> >
> > I was tempted to reply to James with "this is one of the scariest, most
> > disturbing posts I've ever read on LUGNET."... but I thought I had better
> > not! ;)
>
>
> First let it be said that I don't enjoy the idea of war, I have never
> personally fought in one and hope I never do, nor do I hope my son has to.
> (I did spend 5 years with the Sheriff's but that's a whole different kind of
> battle). What I am stating is that based on man's history we will never (at
> least not in our lifetime) see a world that is with out conflict. There are
> just too many egos at stake here. I too would like to live in a perfect
> world where there were no conflicts, but I don't see that happening. It goes
> back as far as Cain and Able. So my point was that unless one side or the
> other completely over powers the other, this conflict in the Middle East
> will continue for a long long time.
>
> So realize I'm just stating an observation of how I believe and end to the
> fighting will come to the Mid East. It's not something that I'm endorsing,
> nor is it something that I wish to happen.
Sorry, I may have misunderstood your tone a little(!).
> But we've all see what happens
> every time the two sides "make peace", it just doesnt' seem to stick. I'm
> sure that more attempts at peace will be made here in the future and they
> might stop the attacks for a while, but someday it will flare up again and
> will continue to until one side "achieves a complete military victory"
Scotland & England worked it out in the end...
Scott A
> jt
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| (...) As did the British Empire and the United States. Why? There was no 'clear victory' of either side in that war ('cause like, Canada's still here :) ) but, bottom line, imho,-- education. First it was war. Then realizing that neither party was (...) (22 years ago, 19-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| "Scott A" <eh105jb@mx1.pair.com> wrote in message news:Gut7s7.IoD@lugnet.com... (...) Except when they meet at Wembley :-) Though I see there is talk of them re-introducing the Home Championship Smart move - they need someone to finish of the (...) (22 years ago, 19-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) First let it be said that I don't enjoy the idea of war, I have never personally fought in one and hope I never do, nor do I hope my son has to. (I did spend 5 years with the Sheriff's but that's a whole different kind of battle). What I am (...) (22 years ago, 19-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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