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Re: Conflict in the Middle East
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Frank Filz writes:
> > Afghanistan has a some chance of being a success story because we did
> > win a decisive and complete victory (well, ok, so there's a few elements
> > still bouncing around, but they have little support).
>
> It certainly was "decisive" for the 5,000 - 8,000 civilians killed to keep
> the US body-bag-count low. You may consider it a "victory", but which of the
> war aims have been met?
The US took control of a route to Central Asian Oil and Gas fields that does
not pass through Russia nor Iran? Particularly interesting, when we know
Bush has personal interests in this sector.
Pedro
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| (...) The Israelis are trying to encourage the "desire for power" by isolating Arafat. Just the same as they did when they helped establish Hamas to rival the PLO in 88. (...) Desperation for what? More land? A western lifestyle? Shopping Malls? (...) (22 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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