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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Fredrik Glöckner writes:
> Now is the time for the American authorities to give a crystal clear
> message to the Israeli authorities that the violence and the occupation
> must end. I think that is the only short term solution for the conflict
> right now.
Just to start the flamethrowers:
I don't think this White House is going to do that. It would jeopardize
their rhetorical position, which wants so desperately to be black-and-
white about states vs. terrorism that they can't see how grey the scale
really is. Frankly, the only person with the balls to do that would be
Powell, and he's severely outnumbered by the hawks who are firmly behind
the Israelis. And yes, I still think Bush is an idiot.
I agree with your reading, Fredrik. The money needs to stop flowing.
The settlers' expansion must end. But Bush can't possibly concede those
things without losing his rhetorical position, Sharon couldn't accept it
without forfeiting his life, and so forth. This is an excellent moment
for the EU as a unit to break from the US line and send a powerful message
*itself* that the world isn't an American plaything. This is one moment
for which I'm convinced Gore would have been a better chief executive.
But somehow I don't think the EU could agree on what to do--its federal
organs are still too weak.
Frankly, I'm becoming more and more convinced that only mainland China
has little enough invested in the conflict or the alliances therein to
serve as an arbiter (they're annoyed with both Islam and the US circle).
But the catch is that they don't *want* to, and in that, they're smart.
Just my two cents.
best
LFB
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| (...) This is an interesting point! However, I think that if there is one nations' government which is respected in Israel, it must be that of the US. Israel, being the strongest part in the conflict, should take the initiative and responsibility (...) (22 years ago, 2-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) If those were two euro-cents, it would have been me saying it. ;-) I share this oppinion entirely - especially what you say regarding the Chinese stand, I think that is a pretty clever reading of the situation (but then again, China has (...) (22 years ago, 2-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| Now is the time for the American authorities to give a crystal clear message to the Israeli authorities that the violence and the occupation must end. I think that is the only short term solution for the conflict right now. Fredrik (22 years ago, 31-Mar-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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