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Re: Conflict in the Middle East
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, James Trobaugh writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Fredrik Glöckner writes:
> > Now is the time for the American authorities to give a crystal clear
> > message to the Israeli authorities that the violence and the occupation
> > must end. I think that is the only short term solution for the conflict
> > right now.
> >
> >
> > Fredrik
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> The situation in the Middle East is complicated. Both sides have points to
> be made and complaints that deserve a hearing. But there are stark
> differences between the two and these differences paint a clear picture of
> who wears the black hat and who dons the white one.
>
> Israel is clearly prepared to recognize the existence of a Palestinian
> State. The Palestinians are clearly unprepared to recognize the existence
> of a Jewish State.
By building 34 settlements in the past year?
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> Palestinian terrorists target Israeli civilians. Israel targets those who
> target their innocent citizens.
By firing missiles into residential areas?
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> Israelis teach their children tolerance of Palestinians. Palestinians teach
> their children hatred of Jews.
I don't see much of this "tolerance".
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> We could go on.
Indeed.
Scott A
> Suffice it to say that almost ALL of the concessions in
> peace discussions over the past few years have been made by Israel. The
> more Israel appears to be willing to give, the more the Arab world demands.
> Its clear that nothing will satisfy Islamic and Palestinian fanatics short
> of the complete and utter destruction of Israel and the expulsion of all
> Jews from the region.
>
> Oh
and by the way. The hatred of Israel has much more to do with the fact
> that they are a bastion of relative freedom and democratic selection of
> leaders in a region where freedom and democratic principals are greatly
> feared by those in power. Ditto for The United States.
>
> jt
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| (...) The situation in the Middle East is complicated. Both sides have points to be made and complaints that deserve a hearing. But there are stark differences between the two and these differences paint a clear picture of who wears the black hat (...) (22 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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