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(...) In what way do you disagree with my take on democracy? It's the rule of the people - by vote - so as long as 51% of the people who vote think it's OK to kill me, then politically (if not morally) it is. Right? Wrong? Libertopia would be an (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, I can tell you right now that I am splitting hairs with respect to this topic. I have very strong opinions about the topic and want to see the government work for every cent that they will get from me on this ticket. I am unsure of how (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Larry, Like I said, the fetal tissue research I did not like. I think that is a BIG one. You might be surprised, Larry, but here is my views on what you said: 1) According to the Bible, Homosexuality is a sin and is detestable to God. (I can verse (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Todd Lehman wrote in message ... (...) It's a bigger gun, letting you shoot bigger things or alternatively make a larger whole where your foot used to be. I too like Perl, also C++. But my preference is for things like Delphi, Jade or Forte when I (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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I'll again add my "in Liberatopia, life won't suck because someone will step in and help the needy" comment to Larry's comments below: (...) I would assume that religions which feel that all potential humans should be given their chance will pool (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't doubt that. I'd say the same is true in the UK. What I disagree with is your implicit assumption that just because you managed to get qualified etc. and you saw a few other people doing it, that must mean EVERYONE can, even without (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Simon Robinson wrote in message ... (...) Its probably a better career than most, and its probably worth the investment. (...) temporary (...) reason (...) background (...) only (...) needed (...) me. (...) That is not true. This country (and yours, (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Umm... A slowly fading rumble? -- Terry K -- (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Thanks to recent lugnet.FAQ rumblings and a nice chain of serendipitious references, I have been reminded of Extropianism. Robert Munafo's pages have an interesting summation (URL) is quite Libertarian, and like Libertarianism, puts a great deal of (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I think you might be splitting hairs here. You're the vehicle owner. Unless it was stolen, you're responsible for what was done with the vehicle. Tell your drivers not to speed or they will have to pay the tickets and increased insurance costs for (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'll answer for him, leaving it open for him to answer for himself. The LP is religion neutral to the extent that it recognises that individual belief systems vary and should be respected. But it has some thoughts on behaviours that may be (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So I suppose that you're going to say that National Socialism wasn't fascism because it said it wasn't? I'd say the lot of them are close enough, as their regimes had the requisite proportion of trampled rights and jackbooted thugs, (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I agree that the hard questions (and the fringe effects) are hard. Libertopia isn't perfect. But I'd submit that we're better off with some fringe unfortunate outcomes instead of every single person in the US getting 1/2 their income on (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Scott Edward Sanburn wrote in message <378DF799.9B923A@aeieng.com>... (...) As a conservative, I never got many kind words in any forum! but I am young. (...) there (...) well. (...) incomprehensible (...) 25) (...) Right, since you aren't going to (...) (25 years ago, 15-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hrmmm. "if the Government doesn't spend some money to make sure that people get the opportunity..." Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. Pursuit. Think about what that means. It doesn't mean that you receive a gift or some other (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Scott- As a fellow Christian, I am curious as to which ideas of the LP you find unchristian. -John (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ha ha! Good point. Actually these days I write about it rather than program it, which is a lot more fun :) (...) true - I've got a lot more than that - but see my point below. (...) The point about it was I felt that the way you simply implied (...) (25 years ago, 15-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Amen. You don't have to guess to hard, I am different. Scott Sanburn (...) (25 years ago, 15-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Republican == Democrat Don't ever forget that. "A difference which makes no difference is no difference." Steve (25 years ago, 15-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Chris, (...) I would disagree with your definition of democracy in terms of minorities being pushed around, but I think that everyone should be treated the same in terms of law, etc. I don't think anyone deserves special treatment for anything. OK, (...) (25 years ago, 15-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What about children? Congenital birth defect? Irresponsible parents? (Aint it always the hard questions that are so hard?) (25 years ago, 15-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm not speaking for Larry here, but some Libertarians agree that the government is big and needs to be scaled back, but don't believe that the original concept of our government is without flaw. I would be gladdened by what you suggest, but (...) (25 years ago, 15-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That depends on what you mean by 'just like that.' I figure that someone with determination can go from being an average highschool graduate to an employable IT professional of some type in a couple years. (...) If you call programming windows (...) (25 years ago, 15-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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John, Thanks for the kind words, John. I usually don't get many in this forum! Oh, believe me, I am sick of some Republicans as well simply because of there non-difference to liberals and Democrats (Decept-o-crats around here) as well. With Social (...) (25 years ago, 15-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<unsnipped because its a commendable effort> Scott Edward Sanburn wrote in message <378DE654.1582693A@a...ng.com>... (...) care, (...) Papers, (...) Yep. Its really out of hand. (...) this (...) scaled (...) Republicans (...) we (...) Similar, yep. (...) (25 years ago, 15-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Simon & All; Based on the conversations I have read regarding these issues (health care, right of, etc.), and Larry's views (Libertarian), I think a lot of you are missing Larry's point as well as my own. If you compare what the founding Fathers (...) (25 years ago, 15-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I have not read them in many moons, I will have to do so again soon. Thanks for the reference, Larry. Scott Sanburn (...) (25 years ago, 15-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ah. And you can just get IT skills just like that I suppose. Funny - it took me so many years to slowly learn all the Windows programming knowledge I've got that gives me a good career. I didn't realise I was wasting my time and I could get (...) (25 years ago, 15-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Make sure you have it first. Period. (25 years ago, 15-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Why is that, exactly? Compare and contrast the unemployment rate in Germany to that in Ireland. Factor of 4 difference. Why? What's different, exactly? Discuss. (...) I'll bite. What? Why? (25 years ago, 15-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) True. (...) And the fact that you don't have a gun in your house meant that every day when the troops came by to drag your grandfather off to work even though he didn't think it was safe, he went instead of resisting? (...) Larry "very tired (...) (25 years ago, 15-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Good point, Scott. In particular try article 8 in the Federalist Papers. Seems pretty clear to me what was intended by the Second Amendment. Then read article 10 to understand why even if the majority thinks that we, for example, should (...) (25 years ago, 15-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) :-P Thanks, Mike. I agree they screwed up, but I had the impression that, in the U.S. there was an upper limit on the number of books that can be thrown at any given person. Jus' wanted to clarify. Cheers, - jsproat (25 years ago, 14-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) pushes (...) Fair enough. In Alberta, you can only have 1 person on a vehicle registration. (AFAIK, anyway) (...) Ah. Another difference. Because our license plates are on the back of the car only, that's the part that gets photo'ed, and there (...) (25 years ago, 14-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Both good and valid points. My point is that it was *possibly* a family member who was driving the vehicle, and I am not required to testify against them. If they determine which family member *might* have been driving then I would gladly pay (...) (25 years ago, 14-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Don't know about other localities, but here (Phoenix AZ), if you get a photo-radar ticket, the drivers face *must* be clearly visible. If it is obscured, they will not process the ticket. So, when driving though photo-radar country, keep the (...) (25 years ago, 14-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Without reading the link I would say they might be charged with murder of the passengers and manslaughter of the pilots, but I'm probably wrong. (...) Dunno, but who cares? They screwed up, and they ought to pay. (25 years ago, 14-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) One of my friends has been looking for any job anywhere doing virtually anything and yet still is unemployed - the European economy is very different to the booming US Economy - and we all know what happens after a boom. (25 years ago, 13-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmm. Maybe it's different in the States, but here, if you are the registered owner of a vehicle, then you are responsible for that vehicle.(1) If someone else is driving it, they are driving it either: a) with your permission, either implicit (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Huh? I've been reading about 110 charges of 3rd degree murder and manslaughter brought against SabreTech by the state of Florida for the 1996 ValuJet crash: (URL) federal government is expected to follow suit. What I don't understand is how someone (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I have been the recipient of one of these tickets, and I have yet to hear of any final outcome. I recieved a letter in the mail with a picture of one of my vehicles, showing the posted speed limit and the speed that the car was going. The (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I was that way too. That's why god invented spellcheck. (25 years ago, 13-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) It's a good thing human minds are good at language -- can you imagine if parents actually had to teach their children to speak? That would be painful. Believe me, I know -- I tried for 4 years. *Then* my kid decided he was ready to talk. But (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) My biggest complaint about photo radar is, is that it's up to me to prove that I wasn't behind the wheel. Guilty before proven innocent and all that. For example: last week, I was mugged and car-jacked and left on the side of the road. After (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Just a blatant troll for opinions...Around here there's a big squabble about photo radar, and just this morning, someone in the office was grumbling about getting a ticket, and everyone else was encouraging her to fight it. Now, I'm wondering what (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Luckily human beings are very good at that. In fact, the rules seem to be mostly descriptive -- we naturally say things a certain way, and then retroactively we look and say, "ok, that's the right way to say it because of such-and-such-rule". (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) It also means there are 50 thousand rules to learn, and 50 million exceptions to those rules. At least we don't have to cojugate (sp?) anything... Steve (25 years ago, 13-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) Another great strength of English is that through years of borrowing ideas from other languages, you end up with many ways to express the same idea, allowing the flexibilty both to make things beautiful and to find just the precise way to (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) Hey, I'm going to have to take issue with that. English can be a very beautiful language. It can also be an ugly language, but that doesn't mean that it can't be amazing poetry in the right hands. So actually it's a pretty good analogy. :) (25 years ago, 13-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) I'd put correctness above maintainability, in the sense that, although maintainable code needs to be able to stay correct, code ought to be correct in the first place. And above correctness, the code ought to be solving the right problems (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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Interesting survey. I can't vouch for the rigor of their methods, of course. (URL) (25 years ago, 12-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, we had the same reasons. You just described it much better. Steve (25 years ago, 12-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, no. The finiteness of the situation says they can't. From what I've seen public universities are an abundant source of jobs with good benefits. And you seem not to need a clue to get a job there. (...) OK. There is no disease where I can (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And everybody can get a job anywhere they want. I see. (...) Lung cancer does not necessarily have anything to do with smoking. My grandfather died from it, and he never touched a cigarette in his life. However, his employer felt fit to (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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You're missing the point of the Second Amendment, my friend. Please read some of the Founding Father's thoughts on it before you go off into big time debates. Scott Sanburn (25 years ago, 12-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Never been chronically ill, have you? You don't _get_ health insurance once you are. Period. I'll stop now before my blood-pressure hits the ceiling. Jasper (25 years ago, 12-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) /s/5 day/7 day/g, and the same. (...) I know. (...) Bzzt. Benito was the fascist. Mr moustache and Mr Red were not fascists. (...) You're _completely_ missing the point. You think I'm equating illegal with bad. I don't necessarily. (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah, I had a nice discussion on this exact subject a while ago elsewhere. Maintainability is usually more important than efficiency or looking pretty. However, to be maintainable, code has to be written in ways that can be understood easily. (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.geek, lugnet.off-topic.pun)
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(...) Wrong newsgroup. Move over to .fun, please., Jasper (25 years ago, 12-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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<3785FAB8.391B@mindspring.com> <378640fa.5882690@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) I mostly come to the same conclusion you do but for different reasons. While the owner has the right to (...) (25 years ago, 10-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, it's an old law. And the guy didn't just utter the f-word a few times, he was all aggro-ed out, and shouting so people a fair distance away could hear him, and on and on. Personally, I don't care what language he was using. He (...) (25 years ago, 9-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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On Thu, 8 Jul 1999 02:12:24 GMT, Mike Stanley uttered the following profundities... (...) Have a Gestetner photocopier hooked up to the network, so it will be pumped through there, to make an A5 sized booklet. (A5=210mm x 150mm) (25 years ago, 9-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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On Wed, 7 Jul 1999 06:37:48 GMT, John Neal uttered the following profundities... (...) Wasn't apologising! Was unaware it was a set period. Strike 58. My understanding was to get rid of it, as it was nothing but trouble, terrorism from all sides, (...) (25 years ago, 9-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I bet that guy wishes he'd gotten his 15 seconds of fame a different way. (...) 90 days and a canoe, yes. Can't say about the "children vs. women" bit. (25 years ago, 9-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<3785FAB8.391B@mindspring.com> <3785FDDB.7779CCF2@voyager.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) Maybe I didn't pay attention to details, but I could have sworn it was North Carolina, will have to (...) (25 years ago, 9-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Are you sure that wasn't a guy in Michigan? It made the national news. (25 years ago, 9-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<slrn7oanmg.7jg.cjc@...S.UTK.EDU> <37856F42.4B2DD2B7@voyager.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) Apparently so in North Carolina also, at least if children are around (the judge did say the part of (...) (25 years ago, 9-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Mike Stanley wrote: Just teasing here, Mike, mind you, but... (...) the juxtaposition of these two parts of your post made me laugh a bit at the irony. But hey, I don't get out much. For the record I don't think crap is that bad a word any more. Too (...) (25 years ago, 9-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The only openly hostile comments I've seen so far were directed at you by Ed, and it seems he's claiming those were examples of flippancy, not hostility. Some topics are hot, some people get hot while debating them. I'd like to think I haven't (...) (25 years ago, 9-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I guess you mean a duplex. Sure, why not? Especially given the current state of the law that makes it so freakin difficult to get rid of losers once you find out they're scummy and you don't want them or their loud, dirty, possibly dangerous (...) (25 years ago, 9-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Wow, that's really disgusting. I think maybe Denny's watched Roger and Me a few too many times. (25 years ago, 9-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Reply-To: cjc@newsguy.com Message-Id: <slrn7oalrb.7jg.cjc@...S.UTK.EDU> X-Newsreader: slrn (0.9.4.3 UNIX) (...) Or people have grown so fed-up with every new property tax increase being touted as "necessary to turn education around" and yet year (...) (25 years ago, 9-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't see how my logic lead to this conclusion. But, I agree that breaking some laws is required to maintain moral purity. Since the US government uses my tax dollars to kill people with whom I have no beef, I do feel kind of sleazy allowing (...) (25 years ago, 8-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Christopher L. Weeks wrote in message <3784F884.EBFE1372@c...ri.edu>... (...) why do (...) Chris, I know we are on the same side and all, but following your moral further, it is also right to break the laws, as you see fit, because it hurts the (...) (25 years ago, 8-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Statistical studies only support, and can never _prove_ a particular hypothesis. At least if you're rational and believe (generally) that the scientific method is valid. Ed can't possibly prove that, he can only support it with evidence. (25 years ago, 8-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) I agree that this is a problem, but your number 2 below really drives the nail through the board. (...) It's advancing. Here at the University of Missouri, there are (...) (25 years ago, 8-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) broken. (...) Not at all, see my response to Larry on this - you claimed to lack an appropriate flippant response - so I provided it. But I must say, that the original suggestion of sterilization made my skin crawl. (...) But on to the serious (...) (25 years ago, 8-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) One thing I'm going to insert here, and has almost nothing to do with the current discussion, is that the "Original Sin" belief does not exist in Mormonism as it does in most other creationist religions. We are taught that Adam transgressed, (...) (25 years ago, 8-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It sounds as if you're saying that the morally 'best' course of action would be to stand off and not take the unemployment. I disagree strongly. I think that if you disagree with the system in the way that you (and I) seem to, you owe it to (...) (25 years ago, 8-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I addressed this more fully in another note, but it was never my intent to come off as hostile. I'm Sorry that Thomas and others feel that way. How would you like me to tone my arguments, or are just some topics too much for some of you? (25 years ago, 8-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I got a big smile out of that. (...) It wasn't a joke, but it wasn't exactly serious either. (...) Right. I'm straight-up 100% agreed. But, that's not the world we live in. We live in a world where people think that robbing from the rich to (...) (25 years ago, 8-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hi all, First, I would like to say a few words about the sterilization thread and Thomas' claim that there was hostility here. I want to apologize. When I first brought up sterilization it was somewhat (but not totally) facetious. I included the (...) (25 years ago, 8-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Two points in reverse order of your append. First, I'm not asserting I already proved my assertion that people are good, I'm just saying that if I do provide a proof, it will be rejected as either self delusion, or something for which no proof is (...) (25 years ago, 8-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think you're wrong. I would say the "vast minority". If there exists such a majority, why haven't changes been made for the better sooner? (...) *I* never said that, and I don't happen to believe it, either. I think that notion came from (...) (25 years ago, 8-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<3784B28D.82177A5A@voyager.net> <FEK6nL.DDI@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Missed these. (...) When I speak of the ability to discriminate, so am I. (...) I don't believe I said that. I said (...) (25 years ago, 8-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<3784B28D.82177A5A@voyager.net> <FEK6nL.DDI@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) Bully for you. Some public schools are better, some are worse. Point is that parents have no recourse when (...) (25 years ago, 8-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's amazing. When I taught - there were parent/teacher conferences every month in the evening and twice a year on Saturdays. But weren't there also PTA meetings in the evening? Couldn't you have made your complaint known at those meetings? (...) (25 years ago, 8-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Good idea. You might at least want to take a step outside, and check the name on the shingle. This ng is supposed to be for debate. It occasionally gets hot, but rarely hostile. Steve (25 years ago, 8-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) When corporations are no longer immortal people (under the law), I'll worry about 'corporation rights'. Steve (25 years ago, 8-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<3784A057.A9F1E5A7@voyager.net> <FEK0ss.3A1@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) Why, exactly? (...) Good question. And the answer is yes. Private schools, being market driven, have reason to (...) (25 years ago, 8-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That may be your reason or your idea of why people school tax levies down. I disagree. People vote down tax levies simply because they do no want to pay taxes. (...) Is it any easier to be involved in a private school for someone who works? (...) (25 years ago, 8-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<378410DA.E6670E74@voyager.net> <slrn7o85bv.7bp.cjc@...S.UTK.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) An honest politician is one who stays bought. There are almost no honest politicians. (25 years ago, 8-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) Oh, I don't know about lack of funding. The per pupil amount spent has gone up a lot even in constant dollars. NY is particularly pernicious, bumping up against 10K a (...) (25 years ago, 8-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) For the sake of clarity I agree with the sort of punitive sterilization you describe here, for those reasons. I just think people can prove in many ways that they most likely will BE unfit to care for their children. Like I said, I don't think (...) (25 years ago, 8-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Christopher L. Weeks" wrote: <snipped a lot of incendiary rhetoric> I feel as though the climate in this newsgroup had grown very hostile. So much so, that I am going to unsubscribe from it because I choose not expose myself what I feel is (...) (25 years ago, 8-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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John Neal wrote: 1) The system will only work if people are (...) While I concede that a lof of people believe this to be true, it isn't. The vast majority of people ARE hard working decent honest caring beings. One of the most pernicious things (...) (25 years ago, 8-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Larry Pieniazek wrote: <snip> (...) Well, if I may jump in here and say that, in theory Lar and the LP may make things *logically* clearer, but even in the best of systems you still have the same, nagging problem: 1) The system will only work if (...) (25 years ago, 8-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The politicians they own cast votes on their behalf all the time - much more often than on the behalf of the people who elect them. (25 years ago, 8-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) [snip] (...) As a former teacher, two of the biggest problems with today's schools are: 1. lack of funding - classrooms are overcrowded, teacher salaries over the last 30 years have actually decreased (differnce of 1960's salary times (...) (25 years ago, 8-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, you cannot have your cake and eat it too. That violates causality. No, you cannot make two opposing/conflicting arguments at the same time. That violates logic. That's what you're trying to do. So you cannot have it both ways. (...) (...) (25 years ago, 8-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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