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Re: Government's role [Was: Re: What happened?]
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Fri, 16 Jul 1999 13:54:24 GMT
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Larry,
Like I said, the fetal tissue research I did not like. I think that is a BIG
one.
You might be surprised, Larry, but here is my views on what you said:
1) According to the Bible, Homosexuality is a sin and is detestable to God. (I
can verse references here, but I don't really want to go down this road too
much!) That being said, however, I don't care what people do in their own homes
or bedrooms or whatever. I categorize it with other sexual sins, such as
adultery or sex before marriage. I do not think it is a case for special
treatment, however. God is the ultimate judge of people's heart, not of their
actions.
2) Same thing with suicide. Yes, it is a sin, but if you want to, go ahead. If
you want to, fine with me. You can talk to God about it afterwards. I am not in
support of doctors "helping" with it (a.k.a. Kevorkian), and I am definitely
against the government deciding who's fit to live and not.
3) As for legislating morality, I don't think it can be done realistically for
one groups religion, such as Christianity, Islamic, etc. That is a
theocracy(sp?). I am in agreement with Larry in terms of as long as it doesn't
harm other people, or infringe their legal rights, fine with me. If it harms
them, or is so ignorant, go ahead. I don't want to charged in taxes for it for
their own stupidity. However, government needs to protect the citizens from
murder, rape, and the like.
4) Honoring the Sabbath is a Christian belief, and one that I do not think can
be mandated through government. I try to if at all possible now, but I used to
work retail, and it is almost impossible to not work on Sunday. It depends on
your employer. (I have spent many Sundays here at AEI when projects are due,
however!) I think we live in a 24hr/7 day a week world now, and I think it is
silly to make stores shut down. I work at Meijer, after all! (You know about
Meijer, don't you Larry?) 24-7 364 days a year.
I guess, IMHO, that most of the lean today is to the left, and the political
winds are not favorable to either conservatives, or to Libertarians. I was very
hopeful in 1994 when the Republicans took the Congress things would be
different, which they are to a little extent. I don't know, I guess I am
pessimistic, but I want to be proved wrong!
Scott Sanburn
Larry Pieniazek wrote:
>
> John Neal wrote:
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> > Scott-
> >
> > As a fellow Christian, I am curious as to which ideas of the LP you find unchristian.
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> I'll answer for him, leaving it open for him to answer for himself.
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> The LP is religion neutral to the extent that it recognises that
> individual belief systems vary and should be respected. But it has some
> thoughts on behaviours that may be considered a bit anti-christian. (I
> know Pat Robertson would consider them as such)
>
> Here is one for you that I know gets you, John Neal, all spun up:
>
> - Homosexuality is a lifestyle choice, not a sin. As such, it is no
> better and no worse than any other arrangment that consenting adults
> make about how they will live together, share assets and approaches,
> raise a family if they so choose, and commit to each other. As such it
> should not receive special treatment, whether preferential or
> discriminatory, by the government.
>
> Here's another:
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> - People have the right to die by their own hand if they so choose.
> Christianity views suicide as a sin.
>
> Here's another more generic, from which the others derive:
> - Nothing, repeat, NOTHING, that a person chooses to do of their own
> free will and which does not infringe on the rights of others should be
> forbidden. It may be stupid, it may be life threatening, but so be it. I
> is not the place of government to legislate morality, except in that the
> proper function of government is to help ensure non-infringment (by
> enforcing the common law prohibitions against things such as murder,
> rape, assault, burglary, arson, etc..) of individual rights.
>
> Some important corrolaries that a lot of christians have trouble with
> are ideas like it is not proper for government to legislate morality,
> including such things as what the operating hours of stores are (Grand
> Rapids until recently had ordinances prohibiting Sunday operation of a
> wide class of stores), what sort of businesses are legitimate, and what
> sorts of interpersonal relationships are appropriate.
>
> --
> Larry Pieniazek larryp@novera.com http://my.voyager.net/lar
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