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Re: What happened?
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Thu, 15 Jul 1999 09:27:28 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes:
> There are more than 50,000 IT jobs open right now, people could get
> skills and then get jobs that do provide those bennies. If people in
> your area started doing that, then either the tourism industry would
> too, in order to compete, or it would be clear that tourism there is
> economically unfeasible.
Ah. And you can just get IT skills just like that I suppose. Funny -
it took me so many years to slowly learn all the Windows programming
knowledge I've got that gives me a good career. I didn't realise I was
wasting my time and I could get the skills instantly. What do you do?
Do you just go into a shop and buy a box of C++ skills?
And I assume they're offered
at a price that you can still afford if you're on a part time or temporary
salary and struggling to pay your rent etc.? Cool!
> It seems like you're saying that people have a right to live wherever
> they want - regardless of the local employment prospects - AND a right
> to freebees doled out by those of us who go where there are good jobs.
> I didn't end up living where I do by chance, I went somewhere that I
> could learn skills and get a job. And I'm moving 1000 miles this summer
> so that I can do that again. I don't even _want_ someone to take care
> of me...I want to do it myself.
Fine. Good for you. But not everyone's as independent minded. I've moved
around a few times in order to find good jobs - and just about everytime I've
moved I've spent up to a year or more feeling isolated, stuck in a strange
town without any friends to speak of. On one occasion I actually lost my
girlfriend because of having to move to find work, on another occasion I nearly
did so. That's not the sort of thing I'd want to force anyone to have to go
through.
So yes - having to move is not nice for a lot of people. So I'd say that
it is better all round if the Government does what it can to make sure
that people can get a decent livelihood without having to uproot themselves
and lose all their friends and sense of community etc. Just because you're
one of the few people that can move around with no ill effects doesn't mean
everyone's like that.
> It's a problem because I have to pay for it...against my will. And if I
> choose not to, federal jackbooted stormtroopers will kick in my door and
> shoot me and quite possibly my family dead. That's stealing, plain and
simple.
No. It's not stealing. We all live in a society together. We all benefit
from having roads, an education, being defended against other countries,
and against criminals, from all the basic scientific research done in
universities that allowed all the modern technology here in the first place.
and generally having all the infrastructure provided by the authorities
that allows us to get on with our lives. And you've got to accept that
all that stuff has to be paid for. We all owe our share of paying for
that.
If you think it's stealing, try not taking advantage of ANY of the benefits
you get from paying tax. Of course you'll almost certainly have to give up
your job, since it's highly unlikely that your employers could continue
in the state of anarchy that would ensue if the Government couldn't do
anything. If someone half choked you by emitting some poisonous chemicals
from a factory down the road, you'd have to just accept it. (Unless you
wanted to hire your own private army to go and beat them up of course...)
You'd better make sure you don't drive a car, because that would be using
roads paid for by your taxes (and the fact that the car is fairly safe
to drive is because of all the work the Government did forcing the
manufacturers to make them safe...) etc, etc.
Simon
http://www.SimonRobinson.com
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Message has 2 Replies:
 | | Government's role [Was: Re: What happened?]
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| Simon & All; Based on the conversations I have read regarding these issues (health care, right of, etc.), and Larry's views (Libertarian), I think a lot of you are missing Larry's point as well as my own. If you compare what the founding Fathers (...) (25 years ago, 15-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
| | | Re: What happened?
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| (...) That depends on what you mean by 'just like that.' I figure that someone with determination can go from being an average highschool graduate to an employable IT professional of some type in a couple years. (...) If you call programming windows (...) (25 years ago, 15-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: What happened?
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| (...) Is that fortune or decision? (...) There are more than 50,000 IT jobs open right now, people could get skills and then get jobs that do provide those bennies. If people in your area started doing that, then either the tourism industry would (...) (25 years ago, 29-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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