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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Duane Hess writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, James Brown writes:
> > Just a blatant troll for opinions...Around here there's a big squabble about
> > photo radar, and just this morning, someone in the office was grumbling about
> > getting a ticket, and everyone else was encouraging her to fight it.
> >
> > Now, I'm wondering what the deal is?
> >
> > You exceeded the legal speed limit.(cause) You were caught.(cause) You got
> > fined.(effect)
> >
> > Is there some stunningly obvious factor that I'm missing, or are people just
> > whining?
> >
> > James
> > http://www.shades-of-night.com/lego/
>
> I have been the recipient of one of these tickets, and I have yet to hear
> of any final outcome.
>
> I recieved a letter in the mail with a picture of one of my vehicles,
> showing the posted speed limit and the speed that the car was going. The
> problem is that I was not the driver. The only reason that the ticket was
> sent to me was than my name is the first one on the registration (my
> wife's is the other).
>
> Since I was not the one driving, I am supposed to turn over any information
> about the person who was driving that I might have. I left all of these areas
> blank, since the person driving *might* be a member of my immediate family
> and I do not have to testify against them. I did however, submit a photocopy
> of my drivers license and copies of the pictures taken so they could see just
> how mistaken they were. (At this time I had a full beard and short hair,
> where the person driving was a female and had long hair).
Hmm. Maybe it's different in the States, but here, if you are the registered
owner of a vehicle, then you are responsible for that vehicle.(1) If someone
else is driving it, they are driving it either:
a) with your permission, either implicit or explicit, or
b) without your permission.
In the case of A, it is your responsibility to determine who was driving at the
time, and ensure that they make reparations to you, and that if they use your
vehicle in the future, they do so in a safe manner.
In the case of B, report your vehicle as stolen, and (if you know the guilty
party) charge them.
> Whatever happend to innocent until proven guilty?
It isn't a matter of innocent until proven guilty. They have a picture of a
vehicle registered to you that was recorded in a breach of the law. They have
made a logical conclusion, and sent you a ticket which informs you of the fine
for the breach, and (here, at least) a court date for the issue to be resolved,
if necessary.
My point is more of a responsibility gripe than a legal question. (and pushes
my opinion of people even farther into cynicism) If you were speeding, and you
got caught, then pay the fine. It's as simple as that.
James
http://www.shades-of-night.com/lego/
1: A parallel situation that exists, is with most trucking companies. There
will be a phone number on the back of the truck and if you see a truck being
driven unsafely, you report it to the company, and the company is resonsible
for finding and disciplining the driver at the time.
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| (...) Don't know about other localities, but here (Phoenix AZ), if you get a photo-radar ticket, the drivers face *must* be clearly visible. If it is obscured, they will not process the ticket. So, when driving though photo-radar country, keep the (...) (25 years ago, 14-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) I have been the recipient of one of these tickets, and I have yet to hear of any final outcome. I recieved a letter in the mail with a picture of one of my vehicles, showing the posted speed limit and the speed that the car was going. The (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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