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On Tue, 13 Jul 1999 22:32:20 GMT, "James Brown" <galliard@shades-of-night.com>
wrote:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Duane Hess writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, James Brown writes:
> > > Just a blatant troll for opinions...Around here there's a big squabble about
> > > photo radar, and just this morning, someone in the office was grumbling about
> > > getting a ticket, and everyone else was encouraging her to fight it.
> > >
> > > Now, I'm wondering what the deal is?
> > >
> > > You exceeded the legal speed limit.(cause) You were caught.(cause) You got
> > > fined.(effect)
> > >
> > > Is there some stunningly obvious factor that I'm missing, or are people just
> > > whining?
> > >
> > > James
> > > http://www.shades-of-night.com/lego/
> >
> > I have been the recipient of one of these tickets, and I have yet to hear
> > of any final outcome.
> >
> > I recieved a letter in the mail with a picture of one of my vehicles,
> > showing the posted speed limit and the speed that the car was going. The
> > problem is that I was not the driver. The only reason that the ticket was
> > sent to me was than my name is the first one on the registration (my
> > wife's is the other).
> >
> > Since I was not the one driving, I am supposed to turn over any information
> > about the person who was driving that I might have. I left all of these areas
> > blank, since the person driving *might* be a member of my immediate family
> > and I do not have to testify against them. I did however, submit a photocopy
> > of my drivers license and copies of the pictures taken so they could see just
> > how mistaken they were. (At this time I had a full beard and short hair,
> > where the person driving was a female and had long hair).
>
> Hmm. Maybe it's different in the States, but here, if you are the registered
> owner of a vehicle, then you are responsible for that vehicle.(1) If someone
> else is driving it, they are driving it either:
> a) with your permission, either implicit or explicit, or
> b) without your permission.
>
> In the case of A, it is your responsibility to determine who was driving at the
> time, and ensure that they make reparations to you, and that if they use your
> vehicle in the future, they do so in a safe manner.
>
> In the case of B, report your vehicle as stolen, and (if you know the guilty
> party) charge them.
>
> > Whatever happend to innocent until proven guilty?
>
> It isn't a matter of innocent until proven guilty. They have a picture of a
> vehicle registered to you that was recorded in a breach of the law. They have
> made a logical conclusion, and sent you a ticket which informs you of the fine
> for the breach, and (here, at least) a court date for the issue to be resolved,
> if necessary.
>
> My point is more of a responsibility gripe than a legal question. (and pushes
> my opinion of people even farther into cynicism) If you were speeding, and you
> got caught, then pay the fine. It's as simple as that.
Don't know about other localities, but here (Phoenix AZ), if you get a
photo-radar ticket, the drivers face *must* be clearly visible. If it is
obscured, they will not process the ticket. So, when driving though
photo-radar country, keep the sun visor down.(1)
Or better yet, slow down. :-)
-- Terry K --
1. Just joking!
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| (...) Both good and valid points. My point is that it was *possibly* a family member who was driving the vehicle, and I am not required to testify against them. If they determine which family member *might* have been driving then I would gladly pay (...) (25 years ago, 14-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Hmm. Maybe it's different in the States, but here, if you are the registered owner of a vehicle, then you are responsible for that vehicle.(1) If someone else is driving it, they are driving it either: a) with your permission, either implicit (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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