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Re: Government's role [Was: Re: What happened?]
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Thu, 15 Jul 1999 14:34:00 GMT
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Scott Edward Sanburn wrote in message <378DE654.1582693A@aeieng.com>...
> Simon & All;
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> Based on the conversations I have read regarding these issues (health • care,
> right of, etc.), and Larry's views (Libertarian), I think a lot of you are
> missing Larry's point as well as my own. If you compare what the founding
> Fathers said, in the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the Federalist • Papers,
> and compare it to the behemoth in Washington D.C. (a.k.a. the Federal
> Government), they would literally die from shock at the power and money
> Washington D.C. carries with it today.
Yep. Its really out of hand.
> There is no health care, Social Security, Welfare, Subsidized housing &
> farming, food stamps, etc., etc., etc. guaranteed under the original
> Constitution or the Bill of Rights. These were add ons from numerous policy
> changes and situations where they were either needed at the time, or some
> party/philosophy passed them. Libertarians (Please tell me if I am wrong,
> Larry!) believe that government has grown out of control (We can debate • this
> forever as well), that it has too much money and power, and should be • scaled
> back to what the original intent of the U.S. government was to be. As a
> Conservative, I believe this as well. I tend to side towards the • Republicans
> than the Libertarians over certain Libertarian philosophies, but I consider • we
> are similar minded in 99.3% of the circumstances.
Similar, yep. Probably not that often though, when you get to the nitty
gritty
> However, today, the American Taxpayer is paying more in taxes PER CAPITA • than
> during WW2. Every time Bill Clinton and others propose more benefits • (a.k.a.
> Prescription coverage for everyone/Medicare/etc.) it is sickening. My • fiancee is
> finishing up her Pharmacy degree, and she just shakes her head when I talk • to
> her about this. Every time you hear any politician planning on "spending" • the
> supposed "budget surplus", realize that you are being overcharged by the
> government!! That is YOUR money, not the politicians, never forget that. If • Todd
> overcharged you for the current Auczilla 500 set auction, you would be • upset and
> want your money back. Why not taxes? I am sick of hearing the audacity of
> certain politicians (i.e. Charley Rangal, Bill Clinton, Algore, etc.) say • they
> want to spend it, to give it back would destroy the economy (Huh?) kill
> children, starve old people, etc., etc., etc. I can't imagine all the money • I
> could make if I could take some, if not all, of the Social Security (Which • my
> generation will never see because the program will be bankrupt by 2025, • based on
> Congressional Budget Office numbers) money, and put it into my own
> investments.
Me too! When you think "I won't have to pay for health insurance" - that
sounds pretty damn good. But when you think of the havoc it will cause - it
really isn't good! With Social Security - I guess I will let them steal
that from me and continue living in the greatest country in the world.
Honestly, though, I wish I could spend that money on more Lego or
somethin...
> I think everyone agrees that we do need to pay for certain things (roads,
> military, etc.) However, in summary, I believe we are overtaxed by a
> bureaucratic monstrosity, that the government cannot reform itself, and • that
> social spending will continue to bankrupt us if we are not careful. If the • role
> of the Federal government continues to expand, we will lose not only or
> independence, we will lose our freedom, which is something that any person • would
> not like. We will end up just like the USSR, and you know what happened • over
> there. That is what I (And I dare say Larry?) are talking about.
The sweet sound of republican rhetoric is music to my ears. I, like you,
find the liberal policies revolting and find it hard to comprehend why
anyone would believe their line! But, the right has its flaws, too, which I
guess is why the libertarian party is gaining poularity. I think the
libertarians might do even better with disgruntled republicans if they
changed the first five letters of their party's name. Nonetheless, the
Rebuplicans disappoint me in that they have been fighting with these
liberals for quite a long time, and they are still losing. Plus they like
to be known as the law and order party (which is all well and good if not
taken to extremes) and help pass all these crazy laws so the government can
"earn" money, not just take it by taxes. Problem is all these laws are a
bunch of crap, as we already have more than enough laws to keep things
orderly, if that was the actual goal of the courts. Further, Republicans
have too many wackos in their ranks, which makes normal people quite
frightened of voting for them. And when we do vote for them, they don't
accomplish anything. So, I agree with their ideology for the most part
(small government, low taxes, almighty defense), but find them to be a
useless deterrent of liberalism - maybe some one else can do it better (I
hope some one does).
> Scott "Sick of leftism" Sanburn
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> [Erased everything]
> Simon Robinson wrote:
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| John, Thanks for the kind words, John. I usually don't get many in this forum! Oh, believe me, I am sick of some Republicans as well simply because of there non-difference to liberals and Democrats (Decept-o-crats around here) as well. With Social (...) (25 years ago, 15-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| Simon & All; Based on the conversations I have read regarding these issues (health care, right of, etc.), and Larry's views (Libertarian), I think a lot of you are missing Larry's point as well as my own. If you compare what the founding Fathers (...) (25 years ago, 15-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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