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Re: What happened?
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Mon, 12 Jul 1999 12:44:00 GMT
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On Wed, 30 Jun 1999 16:15:51 GMT, Scott Edward Sanburn
<ssanburn@aeieng.com> wrote:
> Ugh, I go on a 5 day vacation, and I get back to this! Oh well! :)
/s/5 day/7 day/g, and the same.
> Jasper Janssen wrote:
> > Actually, since I don't see the people rising up against the
> > government anytime soon, that argument is dead in the water..
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> It doesn't matter if "that argument is dead in the water" (I don't think it is),
> the founding fathers put the second amendment in just in case the government
> gets out of control. If you look at the original Constitution, and the way the
> federal government was initially set up, today's one would make the Founding
> Fathers cringe. I don't know if there will ever be a revolution again or not,
I know.
> but, after tasting England's suppression during the colonial period, and the
> resulting American Revolution, they made sure that the citizenry would have the
> proper means of taking out an oppressive government. that is why people
> (facists-Hitler, Soviet Union, etc.) always love gun control and registration,
Bzzt. Benito was the fascist. Mr moustache and Mr Red were not
fascists.
> to make sure they can snuff out any chance for rebellion. This is a unique
> freedom to the US, and that is one of the reasons why, IMHO, America is a great
> country to be in.
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> > Also, overthrowing the government by force is illegal anyway. You can
> > always get guns illegally no matter what laws there are about them
> > (part of NRA propaganda..).
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> I am sure overthrowing any government is illegal anywhere, whether you are
> talking about Britain, or the former USSR, or whatever. Hence, revolution! Do
> you know of the specific law anyway? Going against England in the revolution was
> illegal, technically, anyway, but I think the revolutionaries knew they were
> being oppressed, they did not have freedom, and decided to "break the law".
> Never forget this all started over taxing!
You're _completely_ missing the point.
You think I'm equating illegal with bad. I don't necessarily.
Overthrowing the government is high treason, it'll be there in your
laws as well.
The _point_ was that you _don't_ need legal guns to overthrow the
government, since you can as easily use illegal ones.
Therefore, this _particular_ argument is not true.
> > Therefore, you don't need legal guns to overthrow the government by
> > violent means.
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> What, do you get illegal guns then to overthrow them?
Yes.
> I can go out right now and
> get any gun I want, illegally. I am not, since I do follow the laws of the land.
If you were about to do a revolution, you obviously don'\t care much
for the laws of the land.
> I should not have too, since I have a right under the constitution to get one,
> at least until people and leftists like Bill Clinton and his crowd, overturn it,
> "for the children", or some illogical thing like that.
You're still missing my point and drowning it in rightist rhetoric.
That's as bad as leftist rhetoric in _my_ book.
Jasper
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Message has 3 Replies:
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| You're missing the point of the Second Amendment, my friend. Please read some of the Founding Father's thoughts on it before you go off into big time debates. Scott Sanburn (25 years ago, 12-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
| | | Re: What happened?
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| (...) So I suppose that you're going to say that National Socialism wasn't fascism because it said it wasn't? I'd say the lot of them are close enough, as their regimes had the requisite proportion of trampled rights and jackbooted thugs, (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) was (...) This might sound silly, but it just occured to me as interesting that while we have made it illegal to revolt, we have core rules that encourage revolution. Jefferson certainly seems to have thought that periodic revolutions is a (...) (23 years ago, 28-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: What happened?
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| Ugh, I go on a 5 day vacation, and I get back to this! Oh well! :) (...) It doesn't matter if "that argument is dead in the water" (I don't think it is), the founding fathers put the second amendment in just in case the government gets out of (...) (25 years ago, 30-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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