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(URL) the subhead: "The shadow of Saddam" My opinion that the sanctions are not the CAUSE of Iraqi suffering is not some sort of lone voice in the wilderness, it's held by others as well. "The true cause of those deaths is Saddam. Although sanctions (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Indeed, a good deal of the staff worked for BBC Middle East. The Saudi's closed it down (it was based there) when they found it had a habit of telling the truth. Just after that al-Jazeera started up in Qatar - it was a natural move for the (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In the large, more similar than different (and did I say "thank you Great Britain" yet today? Consider it said, and ditto for Canada, two true friends). But I think the point is that when comparing this particular facet, they are different (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And in that case and every one like it, I fully support return, with compensatory damages, if the claim is valid (sounds like it is.) (...) This sentence doesn't help present your case. (...) Agreed. I had thought they bought it from the (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But this is, in fact, false, in just about every case, except for the last mile on each end. Roads form a mesh and while there may not be space to build two parallel roads which are exactly equivalent in distance, that is not necessary. It is (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Scott A" <eh105jb@mx1.pair.com> wrote in message news:GKzrn5.JME@lugnet.com... (...) And so does the BBC. (give airtime to anti-American opinions) lawrence (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Scott A" <eh105jb@mx1.pair.com> wrote in message news:GKzrn5.JME@lugnet.com... (...) There was an interview with the al-Jazeera interviewer who interviewed Tony Blair on BBC this morning. He was himself ex-BBC and said that most of his colleagues (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Subject to the usage agreements, of course. As Frank said, different companies would have different agreements. (...) Correct. Please note that if I were privatising things, roads would be far down the list, after many many many easier things (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Exactly my point. I'd rather face, within my striking range, a mugger with a gun than with a knife. (...) Clearly all that you say above is correct. Again, my point was that in hand-to- hand combat (as I define mugging), you often have a (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But the issue is "close quarters." A gun is more or less equally deadly (other than matters of aiming) at a range of ten feet or of one foot; both can therefore be considered close quarters for a gun-wielder, but it's hard to disarm someone (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I am not sure but we'll never know unless we start trying to figure out how to do it in detail. We would need to organise some set of stakeholders to sit down and do it (perhaps the folks from a particular small region) with the clear and (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In close quarters, or in terms of hand-to-hand self-defense, a knife can often be deadlier than a gun. Based on what I've learned in self-defense classes, and from a bit of personal training by a friend who teaches martial arts, attempting a (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Is this "censoring" really any worse than this: US urges curb on Arab TV channel (URL) has asked Qatar to reign in the influential and editorially independent Arabic al-Jazeera television station, which gives airtime to anti-American opinions. (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's fine in a macroscopic sense, but it could easily mean that two whole populations of consumers get hosed in pursuit of that will-o-wisp named The Free Market. In my region, for instance, AT&T holds a de facto monopoly on cable service, (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You may not have space for a choice of roads, but people can chose where to live and work (or should be free to - free marketting the road system won't help if other parts of the economy are not free markets). (...) Probably true, though not (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yup. And some kind of licensing and proof of insurance will probably be part of that security. Incidentally, were I to be a road owner, one thing I would insist on is that drivers be insured in addition to vehicles. The vehicle isn't (usually) (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) politically independent news reporting, but it must also be said that the Libertarian party has no serious presence in State College, and, while Heicklen is certainly a bonehead, his methods and views were (when I was at PSU) denounced by many (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) One of the issues I have raised is at what point do we accept the acts of conquest. No one can document that they own their land free and clear of ANY conquest. Conquests of territory started before the invention of writing. So at some point, (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And this guy agrees: Libertarian party candidate drops from race (URL) the LP disagrees with him: (URL) A (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It means that we have a legal framework which reflects the way we live today. We are not held ransom by a bunch of politically appointed lawyers arguing over semantics based on a centuries old piece of paper. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What has Holland to do with anything? Are you saying that Syria should loose its place to Holland(!)? Syria must be bad, this is what Israel's UN ambassador said: "It fails even at the regional level to display any contribution to peace and (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Tell us what your basis for that opinion is. (...) I have a firm grip on reality. I'm not so sure you do. I'm not the only one who thinks that either. Scott A (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, can you? (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Tom Stangl" <tom.stangl@sun.com> wrote in message news:3BC3637E.62D9EA...sun.com... (...) I think it depends on the intepretation of 'vast'. US, Iran, Thailand - now thats more like vast. US, Canada, UK - that's just shades of grey in my book. (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sure. I have no doubt that property deeds in Palestine changed hands just the same as property in Anytown, U.S.A. People there moved and sold their homes and farms just like anyone else. (...) No, I'm not saying that and neither are the (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Um, NO. That doesn't follow. Not unless every mugger in Canada kills their victim every time (if that happened, you'd have a lot more citizens killing muggers, with illegal guns if necessary). The statistics you quoted have to do with deaths, (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hey, A new noun for the Lugnet FAQ!!! ROSCO FUT .o-t.fun (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<No greeting on request of Larry ;-), and to not err in the name ;-)=)> (...) Well, my response to this idea may apply less to the US than to Europe: We don't have enough space to build a CHOICE of roads to every destination. So, what remains of my (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hello Larry, it seems you have discussed this earlier than I jumped in. From some earlier posting from you on air safety I assume that you advocate the free market for any type of product, even security. (...) So, if I get you right, you would want (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, they are not. There is NO way that you can compare downtown Toronto with Elliot Lake (or Pickle Lake). I've lived in the biggest Canadian city, and in much smaller communities. I would say that the murder rate per populace _by gun_ was (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) a (...) in (...) Neither am I. I don't think the Terrorism Research Centre intend it to be either. As I said, I don't think there is a single "workable" definition of terrorism. (...) However most military action is directed at military (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugn (...) the Bill of Rights (...) What??? You mean, that since we DON'T WANT your Bill of Rights, or your Declaration of Independance (we did it nicely enough ourselves, thank you without any guns from you prodding us :) (1812 :) - Canada is a (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Do you think this would really be practical? Do we unwind all the way back to the first settlers? How do we deal with the wealth which has been generated from those lands? I'm curious as to how and where we draw the line. Perhaps it is prudent (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmm, I'm not sure this is a workable definition. I think this is the general purpose of most military action (just about no military action expects to eliminate much more than a fraction of the enemy forces, what it seeks to do is eliminate (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) While I don't have any knowledge of the laws of Canada and the UK, I'm pretty confident the rights enshrined in the US Constitution are not as well protected in Canada and the UK. (...) The right to bear arms is not the "almost single one (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) My view, after reading your link and a few other things, is that I cannot see any situation where a mass-destruction device such as those used over Japan would be the most effective weapon. Well, OK, maybe if there was a (very) large area (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) and a (...) and time (...) out at (...) minimizing the (...) applied (...) WTC as (...) Thanks, Tom. I agree that there's no single "catch-all" definition of terrorism. There's a bit of a discussion about it here (URL) quote from there: "The (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Would it be possible for ownership to be *purchased* from legitimate previous owners rather than having had to have been in the family all that time? Or are you saying that purchasing land can't be done, only inheritance is acceptable as a (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And what about *inside* them? Are these three nations that homogeneous? (...) OTOH, it can be said the US are too far to the Conservative side... it depends of the reference you take for "Centre". (...) Yes, but the UK did not need a (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Absolutely, and there are Arab Jews with such deeds that Israel also will not recognize. It's not a question of religion, it's basically racism. Arab Jews are second class Jews in Israel because the Zionists regard Palestinians as transients. (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) How are they NOT? While they share many similarities, can you seriously say the mindset of the country as a whole is the same between them? Canada and the UK seem to lean too far to the Socialist side compared to the US, IMO. There are many (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's a good question. I don't know if I'd pin it down to a hard definition applied universally. It almost needs a case-by-case analysis. But I certainly don't see Hiroshima/Nagasaki as acts of terrorism, and DO see WTC as acts of terrorism. (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Just for my own edification, if a Jewish family could produce a legitimate deed from, say, eight or ten centuries ago documenting their ownership of a piece of property in modern Palestinian land, would you accept that deed as proof of their (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What do you mean? Its clear the Israelis are on the offensive by the fact that they are occupying Palestinian land. So every Israeli soldier is logically considered part of the occupying force and a threat to Palestinian freedom. Therefore, (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Why not? There have already been numerous lawsuits regarding post-WWII settlements regarding property and assets of Jewish families that survived the Holocaust. I support any efforts to bring misdoings to light and seek justice for all victims (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Israel must renounce Zionism, which is a racist, fanatical, exclusionist and intolerant political belief that regards the Holy Land as exclusively the home of the Jews and Judaism, and deems that Christianity and Islam have no place there. (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Justify that I'm not convinced of something? How am I supposed to do that, exactly? Get a grip on yourself and your frothing. (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Are you prepared to support complete and full reparation of all property taken from these European Jews? Personally, I'd actually like to see that. I also wonder if their concerns had been taken seriously earlier whether we would be in the (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) For the 3rd time : Can you justify this in any way? (...) Well? Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Justification please. (...) Larry your argument is hollow. It is empty. Can you justify it. Come on Larry, I am almost interested. Scott A (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Than you are in denial of reality (in my opinion). (...) That depends on the sense you imply. Do you prefer "overwhelmingly & disproportionately white man's club"? (...) Nope. Your post was a correction for dave. It had nothing to do with me. (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ... but you offer no justification. How simple your life must be. I almost envy you. (...) I offer facts, you offer unbased opinion. Ho hum. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Thanks for the cogent restatement! (...) ... but forgive me if the answers raise more questions (...) I can see your reasoning even if I don't agree... but how would the chain of events unfold to get from 1 to 2 below? Does the current state (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You can post and repost this as many times as you like, I've said what I wanted to say. I doubt the veracity of UN statistics but more importantly, the other two legs stand. Fault lies with the perpetrator, not the victim and not the (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't deny demographics. Never did. I deny relevance to message. (...) How convenient, you set the question up so you get to keep using your smear. The term is pejorative and you know it. (...) In fact it does. You are smearing by using the (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Silence is not assent. Who has time to deny everything you allege? Not me, it would deny me time to do anything else. But I specifically deny this (that I am in denial about Sudan or Iraq), if it will make you happy. (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm not saying it is racist. If I thought that, I would say that. It is a bunch of white guys sitting playing with an agenda which will benifit them. This was covered in the thread a while back. I remembered that. I looked at Larry's views on (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Is this offensive & defensive action? Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I was talking more about the linkage to events of 11th sept. The link is clear. (...) One would hope not. (...) Is so, that would be equall irrelevant (to me). (...) In the news yes. But this is not news. This is opinion from a political (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm only responding because this refers back to a post that I was at least in part quoted on. Saying the Libertarian party primarily appeals to middle/upper-middle class white males and calling it a "white man's club" are two different things. (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Here are some 'yes or no' questions and I've already supplied my answers for you, Larry. Hopefully, these are all the answers you need: 1. Do I think the current Zionist state of Israel has a right to exist? No. 2. Do I think the state of Israel (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Tom Stangl, VFAQman" <talonts@vfaq.com> wrote in message news:3BC2954C.27A2A3...faq.com... (...) How are the US, Canada, and the UK "vastly different countries, with different mindsets"? (...) It seems to me the above is comparing apples with (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmm. I don't think it's accurate to call this a band-wagon episode, unless we're accusing the LP of jumping on its *own* bandwagon. Whatever else can be said of the LP, they've been entirely consistent in their views regarding the right to (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I forgot to change the title (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) For the record, I quoted your post as I remembered it as being a good summation of the argument, and I still think it is. So what was it then? An accurate representation? (...) OK. Larry, I shall retract my comment if you can show us that the (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Are you saying we should listen to Berliners rather than the aid agencies? (...) The aid is dropped from "high altitude", we'll be lucky if we hit the correct mountain. Before 11th, 5000 tonnes of aid was getting to the Afghans per day. 5000 (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) For the record, I quoted your post as I remembered it as being a good summation of the argument, and I still think it is. Scott A (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is rich coming from you! As I have said before (and you have not denied it) you are in deluded denial regarding the situation in both Sudan and Iraq. The *facts* have failed penetrate your preconceived notions. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Shame on your for not aswering the point. Are you to fool to see that you are now smearing me? Don't you like the truth. Lets take a quick look at www.lp.org Take a look at this band-wagon: (URL) bus hijacking shows need for 50-state (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is nothing more than cultural arrogance. (...) Nope, the truth. smear (ACCUSATION) noun [C] an accusation which is unpleasant, unreasonable or unlikely to be true and which is made publicly with the intention of harming a person's (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Are you really that naive? (...) In your opinion. (...) Nope, you are now. (...) Nope, a fact. (...) You are trolling. Scott A (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Any such implication was unintentional and is hereby disclaimed. :-) ++Lar (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I take issue with the implication that my post was filth. 8^) But I agree that my post was hardly the beginning or end of that thread, so curious readers would do well to explore it further. Dave! (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) to go read the whole thread, in fact. Calling the LP a "white man's club", with the baggage and implications and all, is one of your worst smears ever. Shame shame for bringing it up again but you must be running out of other filth to fling. (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Before I start feeling any worse about myself (j/k folks), my comments at (URL) weren't meant to _refute_ Berlusconi as such, just to indicate that he is coming from a very biased perspective. I suspect there's a link between his "politics" (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You didn't miss it, I don't think this particular question has ever arisen here. I freely admit I don't know the answer. (...) Some military theorists say the originial partition boundaries were indefensible and therefore unworkable. Israel's (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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not sure if this might be helpful, and I'm aware it's not an "independant" site, but I thought it made for some interesting reading: (URL) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What's yours? Did you like the one that Scott posted which he claimed was from the FBI? Where are you going with this repeating questions without being willing to answer them when they are posed back at you? (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) thinking about how events would unfold. Had these events unfolded as promised, the PA would recognise the right of Israel to exist, correct? Yet you still apparently do not, correct? I went to what I think is the official PA site www.pna.net (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, but I am saying that when people here and elsewhere pop up and say "we're no better than they are" that those people are delusional, disingenious or deliberately distortive. (...) He's not my friend. He just happens to be right about (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) When I posted it I was seriously questioning, not trolling. Subsequently I did some more digging in the background and have begun to wonder if my preconceived notions of Islam as generally moderate and peaceful were correct or not. I'm still (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Quoting: "moderate Arab states (and Syria)" Note the conjunction, used here to connect DISSIMILAR things. If *the speaker* had felt Syria was moderate, he would have said: "moderate Arab states including Syria" or words to that effect. So *the (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sticks and stones may break my bones, but new ideas will never penetrate my preconceived notions, and I'm completely safe from ever having to reconsider the truth! Is that your version? Really Dan, when you get around to addressing the ideas (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ask a few Berliners about the effectiveness of aerial delivery of relief supplies... If you read anything at all about the air drops, you would find two things: 1. They are not expected to be the sole delivery mechanism 2. They are targetted (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I need to qualify this a little. The "white man's club" refers to the LP. This issue was covered well in a post made by Dave Schuler some time ago: (URL) A (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Terrorism is the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives. (FBI) I think this is good, (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Big words. But I am still not clear on what you mean by "free". I have asked you before, but yoy refuse to answer: ====== ====== (...) This is a joke coming from you, in the last weeks you have shown me that you don't understand (amongst (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is news to me. So why are criminals criminals? (...) lol Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I agree. (...) (URL) leader Yasser Arafat told Israeli reporters the PNC would be prepared to vote on the anti-Israel clauses, going further than the conditions laid down in the Wye River agreement. The Wye accord commits Israel to withdrawals (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Are you now saying Syria is a moderate Arab state? Who said this: "Some countries are better than others. Syria is one of the worst on just about any metric you care to name. Any metric." Do you views change with the wind? Scott A (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Larry you failed to answer my question: "Where you seriously questioning that the text may have been out of context, or was this just a troll?" Answer please? This thread, your membership of a white mans club and your new found respect for the (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Look at what he wants for these places, you will see it is what the public there wants. (...) That is why I said "more fredom" not "freedom". (...) I agree. (...) It depends on what you mean by freedom. The west has a lot of wealth. More than (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Are you saying this war should change to a war against Islam? You are welcome to your new friend: From the Guardian ==+== Mr Berlusconi is living proof that there is nothing inherently superior about western civilisation. The Italian prime (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Larry, tell me which nations on the U.N. Secruity Council have NOT sponsored terrorism. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I can't agree with your last statement. I know were I would rather live (as a native). (...) I agree with you on this last comment. I just can't understand it. People seem to forget that his clumsy actions actually started violent cycle which (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I thought this was good too. But then I read this last night: (URL) Day, chief executive of Care International, said yesterday: "Air drops make great TV but they often represent a failure to respond to a food crisis." Barbara Stocking, (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Some people would say that terrorism is the act of attacking civilians with the intention of reaching some kind of a (political) goal. During these discussions, the word terrorism is actually a problem. The problem is that the word is (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You're probably right, Tom, and I can see the difference, too. I simply asked what your definition of terrorism is? ROSCO (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What defines terrorism? Is it the act itself or the people who do it? Or is it situational? During the Revolutionary War, George Washington was a terrorist to the British and obviously I disagree with that. Dropping nuclear weapons on innocent (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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