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Re: PA censoring journalists again, but repudiating bin Laden...
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Tue, 9 Oct 2001 07:45:51 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Daniel Jassim writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> > Israel is bad Dan. Israel is very bad. They are not quite as bad as the
> > Taliban.
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> Really? I'd say a bunch of foreigners invading, terrorizing and running out
> the native population in the name of religion is pretty bad. Bulldozing
> those people's homes--pretty bad. Mortar attacks, helicopter gunship
> attacks, cluster bombs, phosphorous bombs, vacuum bombs, naplam bombs, mines
> disguised as toys or candy--all pretty bad. Rounding up and torturing, often
> murdering Palestinian "suspects"--bad. Thousands of civilians killed--bad.
> Thousands more civilians, mostly children, crippled for life--bad. Electing
> former terrorists like Arik Sheinerman (Ariel Sharon) as PM's--very bad. I
> readily conceed that the Israeli government does not treat it's own citizens
> the way the Taliban treat theirs, but it certainly treats the Palestinians
> in a manner that makes the Taliban look like Snow White.
I can't agree with your last statement. I know were I would rather live (as
a native).
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> > Although it is amazing, Sharon has been elected. *His* people can
> > remove him without bloodshed.
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> And the saddest thing is that Israelis don't want to remove him. I guess
> Israelis actually PREFER having sleazy, filthy, murderous dirtbags as
> leaders. What a shame.
I agree with you on this last comment. I just can't understand it. People
seem to forget that his clumsy actions actually started violent cycle which
has now lasted more then a year.
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> > I have got mixed views on why the USA supports Israel. Why do you think it
> > is so?
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> Because Americans in general are simple by nature and just want to live
> happily and be left alone. But we are often trivial and easily duped into
> believing in false causes and the Zionists in the American media and
> government have maintained vigilence in portraying Israel as the "victims"
> who just want to "live in peace," a likely story that would make a cat
> laugh. Because the Jews were victims of the murderous Nazis, the Zionists
> used world sympathy as a bargaining chip for their theft of Palestinian
> land. Of course the ignorant retort of Israel would be that they bought that
> land fair and square from the British. Well, I don't believe in buying
> things that were stolen from others but since that's how America was made,
> it's hard to say much. The Zionist media played this perfectly, even going
> so far as to call Jews "settlers," as if recalling the America's days of the
> wagon trails and battles with "savage" Indians.
>
> Another big reason I think America supports Israel is because American
> culture is strongly influenced by one form or another of Christianity which
> buys into the Bibilical mumbo-jumbo of Israel being the "promised land" for
> the Jews.
Indeed. I once read that the search for archaeological relics of what you
call "Biblical mumbo-jumbo" has destroyed or cast aside many precious
Palestinian artefacts. Apparently museums in “west” have little interest in
understanding Palestinian culture.
Scott A
> Maybe 3,000 years ago that was the case, but to have that attitude
> now is absurd, even more so since it's non-Semetic European Jews (largely of
> Turkic stock) fraudulently claiming ancestral rights to the land. However, a
> born-again Christian might as well be born-again Jew, especially since
> Christianity (that is, Romanized, European Christianity) is still at odds
> with the Arab world because of the Crusades.
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> The most ironic thing of all is that Christians support Israel even though
> Jews wholly reject Jesus as Christ the Saviour and it was Jews who turned
> Jesus over to the Romans so that he'd die on the cross. I am baffled by
> Christians supporting a religion that rejects their prophet, all His
> disciples, and is basically still waiting for a Messiah. As bad as the
> Zionist media would like to portray them, Muslims regard Jesus as God's holy
> messenger and espose Jesus's teachings of tolerance.
> So I am still wondering why America should support Israel...
>
> Dan
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