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Re: Violence created by presence of guns? (was: Gotta love Oracle...)
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Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:05:55 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, James Powell writes:

Simple - they go to areas where weapons are hard to *lawfully* get. • Statistics
prove this out - the easier it is to *lawfully* get a gun, hence the more • *lawful*
citizens have them, the lower the "bad" crimes in the area.


Hmmm...I hate to point this out:

UK murder rate by handgun is lower than US one...hmmm, seems that the
_opposite_ effect is true.

Or, look at Canada/US .  Same sort of effects.  Although, I think that it has a
lot to do with sociatal pressures.  If society pressures no gun use, then gun
use will go down (and, conversely, other weapons will become the weapon of
choice...)

I'd far rather take my chances with a Canadian Mugger than a US one, because
95/100 up here, all I would face is a knife.  And, the bleeding idiot had
better know how to use it.

In close quarters, or in terms of hand-to-hand self-defense, a knife can often
be deadlier than a gun.  Based on what I've learned in self-defense classes, and
from a bit of personal training by a friend who teaches martial arts, attempting
a knife-strip to disarm an attacker can often be more dangerous than disarming
someone with a gun.  There are a number of pretty fast and effective ways to
turn a handgun back on your assailant or use a combination of strikes to remove
the gun and assault your attacker.  Clearly, defending yourself against a hand-
gun in close quarters is very dangerous, but when push-comes-to-shove and my
life depends upon it, I'd rather face someone with a gun in close quarters than
a knife (at least a gun has surface area that can be grabbed.)

james



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  Re: Violence created by presence of guns? (was: Gotta love Oracle...)
 
(...) But the issue is "close quarters." A gun is more or less equally deadly (other than matters of aiming) at a range of ten feet or of one foot; both can therefore be considered close quarters for a gun-wielder, but it's hard to disarm someone (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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  Re: Violence created by presence of guns? (was: Gotta love Oracle...)
 
(...) Statistics (...) *lawful* (...) Hmmm...I hate to point this out: UK murder rate by handgun is lower than US one...hmmm, seems that the _opposite_ effect is true. Or, look at Canada/US . Same sort of effects. Although, I think that it has a (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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