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Subject:	Re: Violence created by presence of guns? (was: Gotta love Oracle...)
Newsgroups:	lugnet.off-topic.debate
Date:	Tue, 9 Oct 2001 01:12:13 GMT
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> Simple - they go to areas where weapons are hard to *lawfully* get. • Statistics > prove this out - the easier it is to *lawfully* get a gun, hence the more • *lawful* > citizens have them, the lower the "bad" crimes in the area. Hmmm...I hate to point this out: UK murder rate by handgun is lower than US one...hmmm, seems that the _opposite_ effect is true. Or, look at Canada/US . Same sort of effects. Although, I think that it has a lot to do with sociatal pressures. If society pressures no gun use, then gun use will go down (and, conversely, other weapons will become the weapon of choice...) I'd far rather take my chances with a Canadian Mugger than a US one, because 95/100 up here, all I would face is a knife. And, the bleeding idiot had better know how to use it. "If it were up to me, I'd take away the guns" James P

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		Re: Violence created by presence of guns? (was: Gotta love Oracle...)
(...) You're comparing vastly different countries, with different mindsets. Compare within a country, especially within the US, and you'll see that states that allow easy lawful access to guns tend to have lower violent crime rates. Compare apples (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Violence created by presence of guns? (was: Gotta love Oracle...)
(...) In close quarters, or in terms of hand-to-hand self-defense, a knife can often be deadlier than a gun. Based on what I've learned in self-defense classes, and from a bit of personal training by a friend who teaches martial arts, attempting a (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Violence created by presence of guns? (was: Gotta love Oracle...)
(...) I don't think you really hated point it out. Also, you're assertion, while certainly correct, supports Tom's stance better than your own once you look at the broader picture. The rate of violent crime is _greater_ in the UK than in the US. (...) (23 years ago, 14-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Violence created by presence of guns? (was: Gotta love Oracle...)
(...) Simple - they go to areas where weapons are hard to lawfully get. Statistics prove this out - the easier it is to lawfully get a gun, hence the more lawful citizens have them, the lower the "bad" crimes in the area. (...) No, they often (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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