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Re: Violence created by presence of guns? (was: Gotta love Oracle...)
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Sun, 14 Oct 2001 14:13:21 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, James Powell writes:
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> > Simple - they go to areas where weapons are hard to *lawfully* get. • Statistics
> > prove this out - the easier it is to *lawfully* get a gun, hence the more • *lawful*
> > citizens have them, the lower the "bad" crimes in the area.
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> Hmmm...I hate to point this out:
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> UK murder rate by handgun is lower than US one...hmmm, seems that the
> _opposite_ effect is true.
I don't think you really hated point it out. Also, you're assertion, while
certainly correct, supports Tom's stance better than your own once you look at
the broader picture.
The rate of violent crime is _greater_ in the UK than in the US. Maybe this is
because people in the US can plausibly be expected to defend themselves with
easy lethal force..? So the criminals moved to somewhere (Great Brittain)
where it is more difficult to defend oneself. (I don't actually think that the
UK is peopled by American criminals, but I do think that people more readily
turn to crime knowing that they are safe to do so without serious retribution.)
> Or, look at Canada/US . Same sort of effects. Although, I think that it has • a
> lot to do with sociatal pressures. If society pressures no gun use, then gun
> use will go down (and, conversely, other weapons will become the weapon of
> choice...)
So you're agreeing that reducing cun prevalence won't actually change the
violence rate? Now I'm confused. I thought you were opposed to ease of
acquisition.
> I'd far rather take my chances with a Canadian Mugger than a US one, because
> 95/100 up here, all I would face is a knife. And, the bleeding idiot had
> better know how to use it.
Even knowing that no one around you could help to defend you? I'd rather be
mugged in texas where joe average owns 2.4 guns and may well be carrying one
with him.
Chris
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