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Re: Violence created by presence of guns? (was: Gotta love Oracle...)
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Sun, 14 Oct 2001 15:05:00 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, James Powell writes:
> Well...it ain't all that big of a trick to import the guns into Ontario from • NY
> either...but, that _still_ doesn't make the crime rate with firearms in • Ontario
> all that high in comparison to most major US areas.
Why do you folks obsess over the crime rate _with firearms_? Isn't the rate of
crime what really matters? Or more specifically violent crime? Killed by a
knife is just as dead as killed by a bullet, after all.
> Look at a US city with a
> population of 2.5 million, and its murder per capita ratio in comparison to
> Toronto (Metro Toronto, not GTA) (which includes the "worst" parts, rather • than
> the GTA which includes LOTS of higher income areas)
The Twin Cities in Minnesota has roughly 2.5 Million people. I'm having
trouble digging up crime stats on the metro area, but Minneapolis has
substantially higher crime than Toronto while St. Paul has somewhat less. And
I'd bet that most of the suburbs that are included in that 2.5M have even less.
I did find a cool reference though at http://homefair.com/calc/crime.html
> Therefore, if as is being postulated, that having a armed population
> discourages criminal actions, and lowers the murder rate, this should be
> relatively evident from the average murder rate per 100 000.
>
> (reasonable? Or, are Canadians just too DAMMED friendly? :)
From poking around, it appears that Toronto has lower crime than most cities of
similar size in the US. That's an interesting point. OTOH, it also has lower
crime rates than Ottawa, Saskatoon, Montreal, Vancouver, Victoria, and
Winnipeg. So you chose the big city in Canada with just about the lowest crime
rate of all for comparison. But it's still interesting.
Why do you think we see significant decreases in crime rates (even over time)
when we ennact concealed carry laws?
Chris
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