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Re: Violence created by presence of guns? (was: Gotta love Oracle...)
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Sun, 14 Oct 2001 19:00:48 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, James Powell writes:
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> > Well...it ain't all that big of a trick to import the guns into Ontario from • NY
> > either...but, that _still_ doesn't make the crime rate with firearms in • Ontario
> > all that high in comparison to most major US areas.
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> Why do you folks obsess over the crime rate _with firearms_? Isn't the rate • of
> crime what really matters? Or more specifically violent crime? Killed by a
> knife is just as dead as killed by a bullet, after all.
It's harder to kill someone with a knife than a gun...how many times do you
hear of people killed via 43 stab wounds, vice a single bullet wound?
Are you next going to say that if we limit access to guns, we should limit
access to water pipe-since you can blunt trama someone to death with one?
The fact is that if only 14% of murders are of strangers, reducing the ability
to kill by removing guns should reduce the number of murders, because killing
someone with a knife requires more skill than with a gun (and more "guts")
> The Twin Cities in Minnesota has roughly 2.5 Million people. I'm having
> trouble digging up crime stats on the metro area, but Minneapolis has
> substantially higher crime than Toronto while St. Paul has somewhat less. And
> I'd bet that most of the suburbs that are included in that 2.5M have even
less.
That's why I wanted core areas, not 'burbs. If you take the GTA area and
compare it with a similar population area in the US, I think that the situation
would get worse rather than better. (heck, take Canadas average to the US's
average if you are going that far...I think the statscan stuff I ref'd could
give murders/100000 fairly easy)
> From poking around, it appears that Toronto has lower crime than most cities • of
> similar size in the US. That's an interesting point. OTOH, it also has lower
> crime rates than Ottawa, Saskatoon, Montreal, Vancouver, Victoria, and
> Winnipeg. So you chose the big city in Canada with just about the lowest • crime
> rate of all for comparison. But it's still interesting.
Um. Victoria is ~350K, Saskatoon is even less. Find US cities like that (that
are the _state capitols_ and major city in the state) and I will be supprised!
I'm sure if you compare Ottawa to DC, that Ottawa comes up better off :)
> Why do you think we see significant decreases in crime rates (even over time)
> when we ennact concealed carry laws?
I think you might well see signifigant decreases in murders if you banned all
handguns too...and made it very hard to get ammo. In fact, I think you would
see a more substantial decrease than by enacting concealed carry laws. Of
course, this would go against the 2nd ammendment to the US consitution- at
least, a majority of the population seem to think it would.
James P
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