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Re: Violence created by presence of guns? (was: Gotta love Oracle...)
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Tue, 9 Oct 2001 06:12:28 GMT
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James Powell wrote:

Simple - they go to areas where weapons are hard to *lawfully* get. • Statistics
prove this out - the easier it is to *lawfully* get a gun, hence the more • *lawful*
citizens have them, the lower the "bad" crimes in the area.


Hmmm...I hate to point this out:

UK murder rate by handgun is lower than US one...hmmm, seems that the
_opposite_ effect is true.

Or, look at Canada/US .  Same sort of effects.  Although, I think that it has a
lot to do with sociatal pressures.  If society pressures no gun use, then gun
use will go down (and, conversely, other weapons will become the weapon of
choice...)

You're comparing vastly different countries, with different mindsets.  Compare
within a country, especially within the US, and you'll see that states that allow
easy lawful access to guns tend to have lower violent crime rates.

Compare apples to apples, not oranges.



I'd far rather take my chances with a Canadian Mugger than a US one, because
95/100 up here, all I would face is a knife.  And, the bleeding idiot had
better know how to use it.

"If it were up to me, I'd take away the guns"

Beatiful - just leave the criminals with them.  THAT will help.

Have you surveyed 100 muggers that have NOT been caught by your authorities to find
out that 95 of them weren't using a gun?  Otherwise, I wouldn't trust your odds at
all.


--
Tom Stangl
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  Re: Violence created by presence of guns? (was: Gotta love Oracle...)
 
"Tom Stangl, VFAQman" <talonts@vfaq.com> wrote in message news:3BC2954C.27A2A3...faq.com... (...) How are the US, Canada, and the UK "vastly different countries, with different mindsets"? (...) It seems to me the above is comparing apples with (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
  Re: Violence created by presence of guns? (was: Gotta love Oracle...)
 
Let me play a bit of advocatis diabolis here ... (...) So, you would admit that there is a problem with SOMETHING in the US mindset? But you are sure it has nothing to do with arms? (...) ... and at the same time fuel the violent crimes in places (...) (23 years ago, 11-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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  Re: Violence created by presence of guns? (was: Gotta love Oracle...)
 
(...) Statistics (...) *lawful* (...) Hmmm...I hate to point this out: UK murder rate by handgun is lower than US one...hmmm, seems that the _opposite_ effect is true. Or, look at Canada/US . Same sort of effects. Although, I think that it has a (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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