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Re: Violence created by presence of guns? (was: Gotta love Oracle...)
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Tue, 9 Oct 2001 21:18:08 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Tom Stangl writes:
> Lawrence Wilkes wrote:
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> > "Tom Stangl, VFAQman" <talonts@vfaq.com> wrote in message news:3BC2954C.27A2A300@vfaq.com...
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> > >
> > > You're comparing vastly different countries, with different mindsets. Compare
> > > within a country, especially within the US, and you'll see that states that allow
> > > easy lawful access to guns tend to have lower violent crime rates.
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> > How are the US, Canada, and the UK "vastly different countries, with different mindsets"?
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> How are they NOT? While they share many similarities, can you seriously say the mindset of the
> country as a whole is the same between them?
And what about *inside* them? Are these three nations that homogeneous?
> Canada and the UK seem to lean too far to the Socialist side compared to the US, IMO. There are
> many other differences, and I'm sure many others in here can bring them up if needed.
OTOH, it can be said the US are too far to the Conservative side... it
depends of the reference you take for "Centre".
> > > Compare apples to apples, not oranges.
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> > It seems to me the above is comparing apples with apples.
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> Not hardly. Canada and the UK don't have the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights
> as their basis (and neither will the US if some foamers have their way!).
Yes, but the UK did not need a Declaration of Independance, and the
Canadians did not need a war to become a country - hence, no need for a
formal document to break ties *harshly*.
As for the Bill of Rights, I'm sure they have laws as solid as the
Constitution and the Ammendments to it (maybe with different names). If I
recall correctly, the BoR are the first 10 Ammendments to the US
Constitution, so are included in the last sentence.
> > Perhaps you only want to compare apples with guns against apples with guns.
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> That would make sense, since we're talking about guns in this thread, you know.
We weren't, you know?
They were called here by a statement, yet to be proved, that Europeans
citizens have less rights than their American counterparts. Why guns always
"pop out" when Rights are discussed, that would be a nice issue to discuss -
it seems to me the fundamental right (and almost single one), for some
people, is the right to bear arms.
Pedro
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