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Re: Anyone else think this is a bad idea?
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Tue, 9 Oct 2001 13:46:29 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Daniel Jassim writes:
> > > > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > > > > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Daniel Jassim writes:
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> > > > > Every country in the U.N. Secruity Council has dirt under the nails, Syria
> > > > > is no better or worse.
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> > > > You can't really mean that, can you?
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> > > Why not?
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> > Oh, and if you really truly are delusional enought to think all countries
> > are equally bad, this REALLY ought to get you foaming.
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> > http://www.nationalreview.com/goldberg/goldberg092801.shtml
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> > It's a defense of Berlusconi (who happened to be 100% correct when he said
> > "We should be conscious of the superiority of our civilization, which
> > consists of a value system that has given people widespread prosperity in
> > those countries that embrace it, and guarantees respect for human rights and
> > religion." Spot on, there ARE differences in civilisations...)
> >
> > ++Lar
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> Are you saying this war should change to a war against Islam?
No, but I am saying that when people here and elsewhere pop up and say
"we're no better than they are" that those people are delusional,
disingenious or deliberately distortive.
> You are welcome to your new friend:
He's not my friend. He just happens to be right about something.
> From the Guardian
> ==+==
> Mr Berlusconi is living proof that there is nothing inherently superior
> about western civilisation. The Italian prime minister is a megalomaniac who
> has compared himself with Justinian, Napoleon and Jesus, though the public
> figure he most resembles is Robert Maxwell.
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> Mr Berlusconi has twice been convicted of corruption and is again under
> investigation. He has welcomed post-fascist and racist parties into his
> coalitions.
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> Unlike other leaders, who are now tackling international money laundering,
> Mr Berlusconi (who keeps much of his money in Switzerland) is currently
> trying to pass laws to block such efforts. With civilised friends like
> these, who needs barbarians?
Ah yes, the smear.
The Guardian can't attack the basic idea without exposing itself as anti
freedom so it smears the speaker. Very mature. Is that your best debunk? At
least *try* to refute the ideas, eh? David Low gave it a (weak) shot, but
you're not as good a thinker as he is, I guess.
Just another reason to discount the Guardian as a source and you as a
critical thinker.
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| (...) Before I start feeling any worse about myself (j/k folks), my comments at (URL) weren't meant to _refute_ Berlusconi as such, just to indicate that he is coming from a very biased perspective. I suspect there's a link between his "politics" (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) This is nothing more than cultural arrogance. (...) Nope, the truth. smear (ACCUSATION) noun [C] an accusation which is unpleasant, unreasonable or unlikely to be true and which is made publicly with the intention of harming a person's (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Are you saying this war should change to a war against Islam? You are welcome to your new friend: From the Guardian ==+== Mr Berlusconi is living proof that there is nothing inherently superior about western civilisation. The Italian prime (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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