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(URL) (was?) this analysis correct? What do people think? Is today's action likely to undermine any Taliban crumbling, or is it more of a "take out the air defenses so the aid aircraft won't get shot down" that won't strengthen Taliban resolve? I (...) (23 years ago, 7-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That 'live on CNN of course' seems like a barbed comment. If I'm wrong please forgive my assumption but are you saying 'typically we're hearing it from a large American corporation' to which I would say that it was equally live on BBC News 24 (...) (23 years ago, 7-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Indeed. I realise that I was insufficiently precise when I said I oppose bombing by the US, what I should have said was "bombing by itself". BTW the Taliban has responded. CNN is a bit slow right now so you may want to try to find this AP (...) (23 years ago, 7-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't get it. Aren't they? Chris P.S. They can't be all bad...after all, Tough Borris cried when his parot's days were up. (23 years ago, 7-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, here's to hoping it remains an attack against the Taliban and that we'll do the right thing when we're done. At least the immediate plans include a massive perfusion of aid to refugees, so that's a start. Chris (23 years ago, 7-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And the cannon are just for firing 21 gun salutes... And surely, the falling masts on the Red Beard Runner and the Armada Flagship are just a nifty feature to make it easier for the crew to change the sails... I just don't buy the idea that (...) (23 years ago, 7-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I have mixed feelings about this, in one way think they deserve it, but in another way I feel for the families in Kabul, even though they are strikning Taleban targets(ie military) The civilians don't that, they must be EXTREMELY scared. My 0.02 (...) (23 years ago, 7-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Live on CNN of course lawrence (23 years ago, 7-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Triage, in other words, applied to oppression! (patients that you cannot help, don't. Patients that will recover without you, don't. Concentrate on the third group, those that will benefit from your help and which would die (continue with (...) (23 years ago, 7-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Disagree. You could be typing from an office in any nation in the world. I would assert (with no intent of proving it) that there are net connections into virtually every nation at this point. (...) We have exploited others wrongly and have (...) (23 years ago, 7-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes. So what? (...) I'm not as great an advocate for this legality thing as you are, so it is of relatively less import to me. (...) Ultimately, I (think I) think that it ought to be up to those funding the change. So if it's a US thing, then (...) (23 years ago, 7-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Right now by typing this text in my humble little office I am enjoying my freedom of speech. My ability to do this is based on the past actions of HM Gov and UK industry. Denying the rights to others have given us the $$ to pay for the (...) (23 years ago, 7-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is all very worthy. 2 Questions. 1. What is the wealth of "richest nation in the world" based on? Hard work? Some human rights abuses? Exploitation? A mixture? 2. If taking action on the Afghans for their "egregious human rights (...) (23 years ago, 7-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What do you mean 'based on.' I would agree with the assertion that the freedoms we commonly claim to be self-evident and inalienable are freedoms that we are unwilling to let some others in the world live with. And that's wrong. But I don't (...) (23 years ago, 7-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You could have. You simply did not like the connotations that doing so implied. It's not like I asked what the value of pi is. (That would have been unfair.) (...) Of course. And presumably that's your answer too. So you could have just (...) (23 years ago, 7-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I suppose all those pirate skeletons died of old age? :-) (...) I have purchased around 80 sets with Darth Maul and in every single one he was bisected. (...) ...to tie maidens in front of... (...) ...to enact Death Race 2000 (for which LEGO (...) (23 years ago, 7-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well can you? Over the weekend that has been used as an example of how things can go wrong. Can you justify your words? (...) Perhaps *I* did not, but *you* did say this: "I would indeed *like* this to be a real war (...) , because I see one (...) (23 years ago, 7-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Please don't assume that those of us who didn't comment in any way disagree. I didn't write because there was nothing to say. Yup, it's disgusting. Actually, I don't bear Afghanistan much in the way of grudge because of their role in the (...) (23 years ago, 7-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So what did you mean when you said this : "I would indeed *like* this to be a real war (...) , because I see one as needful"? (...) That is indeed heartening. Before 11th Sept 4000 tonnes of food was reaching the starving each day and today it (...) (23 years ago, 7-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think they do to, and that is my point. As I have said before, I think Larry has a rather selfish view of what freedom means and that is why he is unwilling to justify his comments in the context of the text I have referred him to (although (...) (23 years ago, 7-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well spotted. (...) I shall be clearer : Ask me a question to which I can qive a yes/no answer, and I'll give it one. (...) Because you never started? Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 7-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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i think what we have here is a confusion of violence with conflict violence is death and destruction. bombs destroying buildings, guns killing people. what lego has created in the past and now is conflict. pirates vs. imperials. conflict but they (...) (23 years ago, 7-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Destroy the Taliban, it's incredible what they get away with. No-one really has the right to say what and how someone can live, and just because they are in the place to think they can, and this is, man and women in control, really they can't, (...) (23 years ago, 7-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Right, but that doesn't change the "need for culpability" argument one bit. In fact following this thread of it circles you from the more general "how to make flying safe" theme we were on for the last few posts, and back around to the "how to (...) (23 years ago, 6-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Whoa! You're starting to get a bit on-topic (Lugnet)! Maybe you should've set follow-ups to .market.b-s-t???? ROSCO (23 years ago, 6-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Except if the pilot decides to make it unsafe. There's always a human factor, as the skillful pilots showed on Sep 11. ROSCO (23 years ago, 6-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, this is a kind of fraud. But the fact that something is illegal is not a justification for every possible sort of remedy that any law enforcement officer can dream up. So while showing up for someone else's test IS fraud, it does not, in (...) (23 years ago, 6-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.loc.pt)
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(...) It wasn't exactly rhetorical...I don't know for sure what's legal in all the European nations. But, if it requires "special permission" then it's a priviledge, not a right. (...) Absolutely. The citizens of the US do not have a right to drive. (...) (23 years ago, 6-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) off (...) You might not want your parentage known under any circumstance where parentage matters. If you are a mix of ethnicities, one or more of which are discriminated against, you might not want it obvious. If your parent is (in)famous, you (...) (23 years ago, 6-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.loc.pt)
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Hello Larry, (...) I feel sufficiently free :-). But seriously: Can you elaborate a bit? I would be seriously interested which of your freedoms could be affected. Greetings Horst (23 years ago, 6-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hello Chris, (...) This is a rhetorical question, isn't it? Presumably you already know we do have that right, but only after we get a special permission. But then, I could ask, are you allowed to drive? And your answer would be about the same: Yes, (...) (23 years ago, 6-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hello Larry, (...) So, you think it would be OK to ... ... send someone else to a college test instead of showing up personally? ... drive with someone else's driver's license? (...) So, at least one thing works better in Europe than the US ;-) (...) (23 years ago, 6-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.loc.pt)
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(...) Ok, please point some reasons to me. I may even write a memo to the ID bureau here (no kidding!) if they are irrefutable. (...) a) I can demonstrate my identity through a couple of friends WITH ID if I don't have mine. b) You keep *dental (...) (23 years ago, 6-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.loc.pt)
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(...) Actually, me too. It is possible in the US to divorce oneself from their SSN, and I have not done that. They make sure it's a gigantic hassle. (...) I could come up with a number of reasons that a person might not want their parentage or (...) (23 years ago, 6-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.loc.pt)
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(...) That is something beyond my will to fight against. Here we have a whole bunch of cards, numbers, ID's, licenses (Hunters need some seven or so different papers)... None of them is *too* invasive to our privacy - I have not heard of anyone (...) (23 years ago, 6-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.loc.pt)
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(...) Potentially, if that's what the mother wants to do. (...) Where does this money come from? Taxpayers, or voluntary contributions? If the former, it is *less* just to extort funds from yet more victims (the taxpayers) to allow the father to (...) (23 years ago, 6-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Briefly? No. (...) That is why we have a Constitutional Court: it decides if the laws passed on by Parliament are according to the Constitution. You see, we *also* have a Constitution... :-P (...) Individuals can apply for the use of such (...) (23 years ago, 6-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hello Larry, (...) It seems to me that this discussion is getting too confrontational. Also, for me the question should be WHAT EXACTLY you understand to be freedom rather than WHETHER OR NOT you understand what freedom is. In the light of some (...) (23 years ago, 6-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I agree with most of that, including that it is not just that the child suffer for the fault of the father. But I could imagine some other ways of ensuring that he doesn't, besides allowing adoption. Isn't there quite possibly a mother who (...) (23 years ago, 6-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Just so it isn't just women posting on this thread, I totally agree. Men aren't exactly rolling in clover either, but women are getting one of the worst deals ever... (yes, there are worse out there, true) (23 years ago, 6-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Can you briefly enumerate your rights? I just don't know what they are. Also, it depends on what you count as a right. We have rights guarenteed by our constitution that are actually not granted by inferior laws. I still consider them rights (...) (23 years ago, 6-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) such (...) I would certainly rather not have my plane fall from the sky. That is precisely why I'd rather there be real consequences to such an accident. I assume and believe: 1) Getting airplanes to fly doesn't require voodoo. 2) A well (...) (23 years ago, 6-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, the more they can do with it, the worse that will be done. But I'm opposed to any required identification including our Social Security Number. (...) Why should a test proctor be required to see your parents' names or your marital (...) (23 years ago, 6-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.loc.pt)
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(...) I don't think that time will really come. As the laws move that way, the underground economy -- which is already substantial -- will blossom and expand from the margins into the mainstream. Further, if such legislation were ennacted, I think (...) (23 years ago, 6-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, it is absolutely sickening and sad what the Taliban has done to women in Afghanistan. CNN has been running a documentary called Beneath The Veil. A female reporter sneaked in a camera and taped how the women are existing. It is scheduled (...) (23 years ago, 6-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I know Women in Afghanistan and other countries are treated terribly... but this is disgusting! (URL) (proud to be a woman! I am not a feminist and the like, but respect goes both ways) (23 years ago, 6-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Why so? I'd go even further and say the ID card is sometimes practical (there is a better word in portuguese, but I cannot recall the translation). (...) Man, you are wicked... :-P *Date* of emission... or something like "Issued in Porto, on (...) (23 years ago, 5-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.loc.pt)
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(...) Very understandable. We all want to minimise risk! You may want to consider not getting out of bed in the morning, then, on a regular basis. It's a big bad risky world out there. Except, wait, that turns out to be riskier than being active. (23 years ago, 5-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (snipped) (...) Out of curiosity, what kind of rights do you have that we don't, and which might benefit us if we had them? Or said differentely, what rights would you be sacrificing? Pedro (23 years ago, 5-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) See, that you think these reasonable is itself symptomatic. (...) Your ID card tracks emissions? :-) (lesse, mine would say Hot Air, some methane, some foam) (...) Right, we have those too with respect to SSN. Didn't work. ID cards are bad (...) (23 years ago, 5-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.loc.pt)
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(...) A lot of good that does the people that die from the incident. I would rather choose not to be one of those people. -- | Tom Stangl, iPlanet Web Server Technical Support | Sun Microsystems Customer Service | iPlanet Support - (URL) Please do (...) (23 years ago, 5-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, it's pretty clear that he was IN Afghanistan, then left, then went back. This fits the known timeline of his movements. Doesn't mean it's true, of course (23 years ago, 5-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Wouldn't. I used to like Larry quite a bit better 6 weeks ago than i do now. Unless he's convinced it's inevitable even if he doesn't believe in it, and his "free" software is a trojan horse to sell other software and services, in which case (...) (23 years ago, 5-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Right! This is exactly what I am advocating. Disassemble the country and reassemble it correctly. (23 years ago, 5-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'll take the other side of that bet in a heartbeat. As long as I get to set the overall rules of the game, that is. You can even call me on whether they conform to my principles or not. (...) Won't happen... unless that's the right outcome. (...) (23 years ago, 5-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes: (snipped) (...) Hi Chris, Maybe the reason you are experiencing such a fear is the fact that ID card is supposed to be "High Tech"... I have had a National ID card for ten years, and I only (...) (23 years ago, 5-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.loc.pt)
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Yes, the national ID card will be used with some effectiveness to fight international crime and terrorism. But in the midst of that fight our politicians will remain politicians. They will still fall in love with power and they will still propose (...) (23 years ago, 5-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) 'Life as an Office Christmas Party." A more horrifying dystopia I cannot imagine. (...) If there's a slippery slope to be found here, you might have just hit on it--it might be justifiable to implant an "insulin regulator" chip or an "epilepsy (...) (23 years ago, 5-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, produce it on command is what I meant. Though, having to wear it is even creepier. "Hi, my name is Chris!" (...) Yeah. I don't want _them_ implanting chips in newborns. OTOH, if there are nifty chips that we can implant to improve (...) (23 years ago, 5-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm missing something in this--do you mean if you're required to display it (wearing it on your lapel) or produce it on command (hey you, show me your ID)? Either would be objectionable, I agree, but I'm curious about which you meant (...) (23 years ago, 5-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Maybe the card itself is not a civil rights violations, but the many activities for which they will use such a thing are. First, if I'm required to disply my shiny new Federal ID, I consider it unreasonable search. I think of the right to (...) (23 years ago, 5-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I could sell her some LEGO, but I'd expect that were she in the market, she would buy from Scott. Chris (23 years ago, 5-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hello Larry, hello everybody, (...) How does it fit with earlier claims that bin Laden has been one of "our bastards" in the Soviet-Afghanistan war? Can he have acted from Sudan, or shouldn't this rather indicate he went to Afghanistan earlier than (...) (23 years ago, 5-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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... for offering some hot air? Imagine, we would have been be able to identify airline passengers with 100% accuracy even before 911. How would that have helped to prevent anything of what happened? That said, I don't feel like a photo and a (...) (23 years ago, 5-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hello Larry, (...) I think the question here should not be so much "is the actual number 500k or maybe 80% less or more", but instead: "What can we do to fix the problem." One possibility would be to lift the sanctions. In terms of military buildup (...) (23 years ago, 5-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Then you're going to have to deal with Scott's mother-in-law. Dave! (23 years ago, 5-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's fine on paper, but I'm willing to bet that airlines will, in really short order, retain the most expensive and effective lawyers money can buy, far in excess of the ability of the individual to afford, even if a class-action suit is (...) (23 years ago, 5-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) one. (...) I presumed that the second 'question' above was supposed to be 'answer.' And so I assumed that you meant you would answer with a 'yes' or a 'no.' Is that not what you meant, or did you fail to do so? (...) I have not stopped beating (...) (23 years ago, 5-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) suffer. (...) only (...) if (...) still (...) Tough. I'd do it. We must be better than that. (...) I agree. I think I was nearly assaulted at work when an argument became heated and when I was called unamerican, I responded that they (the (...) (23 years ago, 5-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Why the smiley? It's certainly good enough for me! What better to avoid such disasters than the certainty that rapid and humongous suits would follow? Chris (23 years ago, 5-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I would not dare hit her.. You've never seen my wife's mother. How about you? Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 5-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I agree with you to very large extent. But when one is faced with grieving relatives it is very difficult to argue against the retribution argument. On a macro scale this was what was happening in the US in the days after the 11th; a lot of (...) (23 years ago, 5-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Have you stopped beating your wife? Chris (23 years ago, 5-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's easy. Either the fence builder built a hazardous obstruction on land not his own, or the passer by was trespassing. (...) There's no such thing. The punisher is at fault, in my opinon (but it can only _be_ opinion...there is no right (...) (23 years ago, 5-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What if passers by cut themselves on the barbs? (...) ...only if the punishment is just. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 5-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Just a second. Larry states an opinion - but cannot justify it to me or others. I debunk it anyway. He still holds the same opinion - but still does not justify it. And you are calling *me* bull-headed? Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 5-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Riiiiight. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 5-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes: Oh, and further, in the general case, it is the parent that is at fault when the parent does not adequately provide for the minor child. Not external factors or causes that the parent could have (...) (23 years ago, 5-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But Tom... Under the system proposed by Larry, if your plane were to fall from the skies your loved ones would be able to tale the airlines to the cleaners. Is that not good enough for you? :) Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 5-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I doubt that is LP policy... I may be wrong. Did I say Larry should agree with it just because it is related to the LP? (...) My skull is the normall thickness thak you! (...) I think there is. (...) Perhaps if Larry answered my point this (...) (23 years ago, 5-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What I want to do is divorce causality from fault to a certain extent here. Factors in FB Sr.s environment may well have contributed to his being a bad person, ("caused it") but remember the scenario, we assume a just finding of homicide as a (...) (23 years ago, 5-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's fine. I'm certainly not from the "government can do no wrong" school, or even the "government is mostly right" camp. (...) I have doubt too. I'm just not sure it's *reasonable* doubt, given the large NUMBER of people (from a lot of (...) (23 years ago, 5-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'd be in the air that very day. :-) (...) That would be a great place to start... we should be pushing for it. I wrote my rep and my senators about it already, although now that the bailout passed, getting it undone isn't likely. (23 years ago, 5-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Riiiiight. I think you need to read the last day or two in here - he asked a simple yes/no question, and you dodged it with "is this a question?". -- Tom Stangl ***(URL) Visual FAQ home ***(URL) Bay Area DSMs (23 years ago, 5-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Scott, How bullheadedly DENSE are you going to be? You only seem to be this stupid when answering Larry's posts, I think it's time you at least try to engage your brain before answering any posts from him... (...) SO WHAT?!? Larry has repeatedly (...) (23 years ago, 5-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Larry, This is all fine and good, but IF they were to fully privatize airlines/airports/ma...nance/etc, and remove the liability shields........ how long would YOU wait before flying again? I sure as hell wouldn't fly for many years. I wouldn't want (...) (23 years ago, 5-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, let's. (...) I'm not asking for a debate, just that you justify your comments. It is that simple. (...) Or one you can't respond to? (...) Larry. I don't try to dictate the "conversation" here. Go check how many threads I have started in (...) (23 years ago, 5-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Even when it is put in context (which you deleted): ==+== It was made by a Libertarian Congressional Candidate 2000. He was apparently against the "violence and economic sanctions perpetrated by our government’s policies towards Iraq". ==+== (...) (23 years ago, 5-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Punctuation. It is not a flame (you are so confrontational), just a clarification. (...) Larry, I am still not clear what the point of you message is/was. Scott A (23 years ago, 5-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Let's be clear here. I am just NOT going to get into an open ended debate with you on whether I understand freedom or not. That is so laughable an allegation that it's not worth responding to. Further you don't get to dictate where the (...) (23 years ago, 5-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I have made some changes and insertions so that the resulting statement is one that I agree with. (...) c/private/mixed/ (Mixed economy corps, not private. If they take bailouts, invoke liability shields, and use subsidised facilities, they (...) (23 years ago, 5-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, I do not disagree with this comment. There is no inconsistency with what I am saying, either. The sanctions are ineffective, but are not a "punishment" any more than a fence is a punishment to a cow. (23 years ago, 5-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Seemed pretty obvious to me. It is a yes/no question. (...) Are you actually engaging in grammar flaming? That's a yes/no question, by the way, in case you weren't sure. If you're going to ding me for a misplaced question mark (which in this (...) (23 years ago, 5-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's right, answer just one issue in the *hope* you score a cheap point. (...) Can you support this, or is it mere opinion. Do you think the UNICEF data and opinion I quoted was wrong? Do you still stand by this: ==+== I reject that the (...) (23 years ago, 5-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Do you disagree with this comment: "Just because Saddam Hussein doesn’t care about the children doesn’t mean that it is acceptable for us to punish the innocent and helpless when he hides behind them. We should confront dictators face-to-face (...) (23 years ago, 5-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes. This leg has nothing to do with whether the stat is right or whether the causality link is there. (23 years ago, 5-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, I'm not. (23 years ago, 5-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Have you even read my replies to Frank? Scott A (23 years ago, 5-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What is the question? It reads like some sort of order, but is has a "?" at the end. (...) Where? (...) In what way? (...) Nope. Market forces in forced this issue. (...) Should I? (...) I should? Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 5-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not valid. I cited UNICEF statistics *&* opinion. Free free to debunk it. (...) You are deluded. An argument has been presented by more than just me and this is the best you can do to counter it? I would have had more respect for you if you (...) (23 years ago, 5-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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