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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Horst Lehner writes:
> Hello Larry,
>
> > > I have had a National ID card for ten years, and I only had to show it for
> > > proof of identity on reasonable subjects: Tests (School, College
> > > admission),
> > > Licenses (Driver's and others), and as a login number (!) to know if I had
> > > been admitted to College.
> >
> > See, that you think these reasonable is itself symptomatic.
>
> So, you think it would be OK to ...
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> ... send someone else to a college test instead of showing up personally?
No, this is a kind of fraud. But the fact that something is illegal is not a
justification for every possible sort of remedy that any law enforcement
officer can dream up. So while showing up for someone else's test IS fraud,
it does not, in and of itself, justify a mandatory ID card as the only
mechanism for preventing it.
> ... drive with someone else's driver's license?
I see no reason for driver's licenses at all, in and of themselves. Rather,
what should be provided on request is proof of liability coverage. Drivers
licenses, just like any other minimum standard, only ensure that there are
people that just barely make the minimum standard.
Since in Florida, for example, an 89 year old person who barely passes the
eyesight test and barely passes the "can you say your name" test can renew a
previously held license for 6 years, during which they can go completely
blind and completely senile...
So no, I don't see drivers licenses as any use for anything. If roads were
private, I am sure that most road owners would require much more stringent
proof of competence to operate on their roads than the state requires.
This is an example of the general case assertion "regulations do not make
you safer than a free market system, they make you less safe than a free
market system"
> > > Besides, our legislation FORBIDS the state agencies to cross data among
> > > themselves (for instance, Social security record and Tax record), or to
> > > share it with companies. There are a few laws about data collected from
> > > citizens, very advanced indeed.
> >
> > Right, we have those too with respect to SSN. Didn't work.
>
> So, at least one thing works better in Europe than the US ;-)
As far as you know, anyway. But you have less rights so you can't really be
sure. (neither can we, of course)
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| (...) And what would it be done to prevent fraud, then? (...) So why not put a 5-year-old driving a Humvee, if his father can pay for the damage? As for the case of the old man, it is up to him and his family to provide alternatives - this way he (...) (23 years ago, 7-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.loc.pt)
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| Hello Chris, (...) Why should they? They will probably make sure that whoever drives on them will be held liable for what he does to the road. But why should the road company care for other drivers? (...) Unless companies are shielded from their (...) (23 years ago, 8-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.loc.pt)
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| Hello Larry, (...) So, you think it would be OK to ... ... send someone else to a college test instead of showing up personally? ... drive with someone else's driver's license? (...) So, at least one thing works better in Europe than the US ;-) (...) (23 years ago, 6-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.loc.pt)
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