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Re: Freedom vs. Wellfare (was: War)
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Sat, 6 Oct 2001 15:34:51 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Horst Lehner writes:
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> > FB sr is at fault for the privations of his child and is an unfit
> > parent (and his child arguably ought to be up for adoption if the
> > privation is too bad, as it is not JUST that the child suffer for
> > the fault of the father).
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> I agree with most of that, including that it is not just that the child
> suffer for the fault of the father. But I could imagine some other ways of
> ensuring that he doesn't, besides allowing adoption. Isn't there quite
> possibly a mother who loves her child, and vice versa? Would it be just to
> divorce these two?
Potentially, if that's what the mother wants to do.
> Wouldn't it be a lot more just to offer some money if
> that is what is required for a decent (not luxury!) life without the money
> the father has earned before?
Where does this money come from? Taxpayers, or voluntary contributions? If
the former, it is *less* just to extort funds from yet more victims (the
taxpayers) to allow the father to avoid the consequences of his actions than
it is to do nothing.
> Do you really think it cuts your freedom so
> badly if you have to pay your share of that?
Yes. This gets into the larger question around whether it is appropriate to
do "charity by force", which has been discussed in depth here in the past. I
hold that it is not.
I'm happy to discuss this with you or other critical thinkers as long as
we're not covering TOO much plowed ground.
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Message has 1 Reply:
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| Hello Larry, (...) Now, this is exactly where we differ. While you seem to always look at the situation from the imprisoned father's perspective, I see the child to be an innocent victim of the father. And if you feel as a victim just because you (...) (23 years ago, 8-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Freedom vs. Wellfare (was: War)
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| (...) I agree with most of that, including that it is not just that the child suffer for the fault of the father. But I could imagine some other ways of ensuring that he doesn't, besides allowing adoption. Isn't there quite possibly a mother who (...) (23 years ago, 6-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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