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(...) One thing that I saw as interesting, though I haven't explored the meaning completely, but the chair of the North Carolina Libertarian Party is a woman. She was also their candidate for governor. Of course in the picture on this page: (URL) (...) (23 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ruby Ridge. (23 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) A random thought just jumped into my head... Where would the civil rights movement be had the segregationist states NOT used the National Guard to attempt to quell the demonstations? Recently (actually on my way to the April Baylug meeting), I (...) (23 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think you have some issues here you need to deal with. Everything is challenges, fighting, giving inches, not being wrong. No inclusivness, no common ground, no exploration of issues. Your idea of agreeing is that everyone you talk to agree (...) (23 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) To which case are you alluding? Dave! (23 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But it's not simply of matter of whether or not a restaurant will choose to serve "coloreds:" Businesses will be able to choose whether or not to hire people on basis of any bigoted notion they can think of. Further, because it can be quite (...) (23 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) On the topic of disenfranchisement... I feel pretty disenfranchised. Bush can take his 600 bucks and stick it. (...) "No person or corporation shall require any white female nurse to nurse in wards or rooms in hospitals, either public or (...) (23 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Once again, here's another one of your little challenges, Larry. You don't say whether you agree or not, you just throw out some more bullsh*t questions to fish for another fight. If you DON'T AGREE that there are ethics in business and (...) (23 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) *Some* did. Note the first one listed here: (URL) I'm sure you know that businesses that *wanted* to discriminate were behind those laws - typifying all businesses in these states as innocent victims isn't exactly accurate. My point was that (...) (23 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh, me too. I just don't see it as following from allowing (not requiring) businesses (with no barriers to entry) to choose who to serve. Jim Crow laws REQUIRED businesses to discriminate. ++Lar (23 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) \ (...) Water vapor. Bruce (we'll skip the dicussion on light absorbtion and leave it for some anal-retentive type) :-) (23 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Four messages back from the one I'm typing now. You haven't seen a demonstration of how this is detrimental?!? Did you miss the reasons for the civil rights movement? Ensuing riots in reaction to racism? I pointed out earlier that you get that (...) (23 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh, I'm able, all right. I could just go to the UN site or wherever and quote demographics. I'm just unwilling to continue to spar with you about the assertion that LUGNET is demographically more white and more male than the norm because it's (...) (23 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Might have missed the conclusion of that thread if it was in a different thread but haven't seen a demonstration of how this is actually detrimental (to anyone other than the business owner foolish enough to do it) yet. (...) (URL) queen of (...) (23 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Doubt away, Thomas. You'd be wrong, though, if you thought that the LP was in favor of government mandated segregation. (...) Just giving off the cuff examples of some classes of people or organizations that might benefit from change but are (...) (23 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes: <concern for long term viability under demographic skewing> Fair enough. However the long term viability of the LP as a party isn't that important to me, per se. While I am quite ready to throw (...) (23 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, I'm just alluding to the fact that certain individuals are attracted to certain types of groups. Nothing more. (...) I can't debate anything regarding the LP. I'm largely ignorant to it's political agenda and demographic, which seem to be (...) (23 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Thanks - I just never connect the initials to the group. :-) (...) It's a pretty good analogy that isn't quite right. Libertarians tend to be white, male, and middle-to-upper-middle class. That isn't rich. Shouldn't the rich be Libertarians if (...) (23 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Dave, you just made my day. ;-) Gotta run! -Shiri (23 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Shiri, you're a woman--you have no place in a discussion of white male rule. Take off your shoes and return to the kitchen, please. (the preceding draconian chauvinism was brought to us on the basis that Shiri has repeatedly demonstrated her (...) (23 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I accept that you don't think it's important, and I accept also your assertion that you would be willing to have society "start from scratch" (ie: with everyone truly equal) if it meant that Libertopia could be realized. (URL) In that way, you (...) (23 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It would seem to me that you don't think it particularly important is an illustration of the problem. (...) And long term detriments may not be visible to all the Libertarian Party members. I did give a specific example (Libertarians allowing (...) (23 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If that were the sum of the problem, then we chould just have Iron Man fix it for us. And where's HYDRA in all of this? Dave! FUT OT.FUN (23 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<snipping> (BTW, before I start, SCLC was the movement originally led by Martin Luther King, Jr. - the Southern Christian Leadership Conference.) (...) Notice that this answer is waaaaay over-simplified. Please don't attack me on demographics, etc. (...) (23 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I doubt they have LP support! (...) What are you saying? Are you saying those "People currently on welfare" are the ones not joining the LP? i.e. "People currently on welfare" are all but white males? Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Southern Christian Leadership Conference. Pivotal in the anti segregation movement. (...) I think, stated that way, it's a fair enough (but not particularly important) question. I don't know "the answer" but I advanced my theory already. To (...) (23 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Are you implying a causative relation between higher education and some realization that the Libertarian Party is the "correct" path? I'm not trying to misread you, but I want to understand if this is what you're asserting. Regardless (and (...) (23 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) lol. If you understood UK politics you would know you have just shot yourself in the foot. (...) You are not reading the text I quoted. Think a little deeper Larry. From their platform: (URL) autonomy to the citizen Revert to authority of (...) (23 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yup, that's pretty much it - and let me add that I don't regard the Libertarian Party as a white supremacist group in the slightest. I'd said what I did in part because I think the Libertarian Party *for it's own benefit* needs to address the (...) (23 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) South Coast Liesure Club? Sunny California Libertarian Clique? Advanced Ideas Mechanics? Accuracy in Media? Asian Internet Marketing? I don't speak initial. Well, solved the second with my Apache buddy literally walking by as I was typing (...) (23 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It may be that that is the adult lego market? (...) Indeed. I think that starting point for looking at the background of the users of Lugnet is to look at the users on the internet and of Lego. Looking at Lugnet alone is useless in my opinion. (...) (23 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If these guys are Libertarians, then Tony Blair ought to be running for the chair of the Tories. Putting a word in your name doesn't make you that word. (...) If these guys are Greens, then Robert Byrd ought to be stumping for the presidential (...) (23 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Like I say Larry, you are full of opinion which you just cannot justify. All I am asking for, on this one, is a simple reference – but you are simply unable to mange it. (...) ...another insult - how adult. (...) I think it is a fair question (...) (23 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) How do you determine the fair price? That's a serious question, you speak of fair trade (which tends to be a code word here in the US for unfree trade), but how do you know what is fair? Who (or what mechanism) determines it? (...) What are (...) (23 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Why does LUGNET (in general) attract well educated white males? From my observations, Larry is right. LUGNET does not represent the statistical make-up of the countries in which it resides. Is this due to education? Economical status? (...) (23 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not going to play this game any more, sorry. I've justified my assertion that LUGNET members are more white and more male than the averages to my satisfaction, and surely to the satisfaction of any reasonable person. If it's not to *your* (...) (23 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Let's start with an very very easy one: From: (URL) It was, at least for the 20+ fests, meetings, events, (...) Scott: This is all noise, BUT where did you get the averages from? =*= Next we will do a very easy one. Scott A (23 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You don't know the answer to his/her questions either? tut. tut. You are full of opinion, but you seldom wish to justify it. Perhaps you need to think a little deeper, rather that doing a simple cut 'n' paste with LP dogma? Answer my points (...) (23 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Dave voiced some concerns, which I addressed. Your contribution, on the other hand, consists of "why why why why why why". I had a 3 year old who did that, but he grew out of it. ++Lar (23 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I did not challenge you. This is all noise, BUT saying "I count noses in fest pictures" make it sound like you do it all the time. I'm glad you don't. (...) This is all noise, BUT where did you get the averages from? (...) It does for the LP (...) (23 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) These ones: From (URL) Libertarian National Socialist Green Party is in part based upon the work of the Libertarian party from whom we gain appreciation for the individual spirit and independence from a morally-judgmental, active government. (...) (23 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I *don't care* what the makeup of LUGNET or the hobby is. I never said I did. I just said it wasn't the same as the overall population. When you challenged me I went off and counted noses at that point in order to see if my hunch was right. It (...) (23 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Indeed. The notion that a bunch of white guys can sit around constructing a libertarian dreamland which will be on benefit to all is a complete anathema to me. Scott A (23 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I have no idea what the SCLC is, so I have no real opinion on it. (...) One could argue that you are using your memebership fee to invest in a Libertarian future. Your fellow members may hope for a return on that investment in the longer or (...) (23 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I would like to be the judge of that. (...) Hmm. So you are keeping a count? What sort of a person would do that? It is not a thing I worry about. (...) Not much more. I have been to 1 fest. I think the makeup was ~10-20% scottish, and (...) (23 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh ya! Dat's fer shur. Yawp. Izzit too late to be buildin' a shanty on dat dere lake dis year? (...) He really does! In terms of "north-up" *and* elevation, if memory serves. But it takes more than that to be a real troll; you need to eat (...) (23 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't think you are a racist but I do think you may be misinformed, it is no more accurate to say that a Gypsy is a swindler than it is to say that a Yooper is stupid. ++Lar (a troll... literally! I live below *the* bridge.) (23 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Let's dig into that a bit... Is that an accurate supposition? That is, *are* there things that are "good for you" that you wouldn't necessarily choose to do? We know that's true in the individual case, right? I know that exercising more and (...) (23 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Don't mind me, but isn't that what a Gypsy is? Josh P.S. Please don't think of me as a racist or something... (...) (23 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The sad thing is that Economic sanctions barely harm those that make the nations decisions. Any person in goverment or in a powerful position will still get their fine food, medical facilities and luxury goods. Thats a fact about such corrupt (...) (23 years ago, 14-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What if you're overcharged for a low-quality load of gypsum? 8^) (...) And here I was afraid you were trying to sneak in some Nazi propaganda! 8^) Anyway, I wasn't able to type the umlaut so it came through the same! You crystallized it for (...) (23 years ago, 14-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Dave, I *know* you're smarter than this. You know well the difference between the semantic load of "gypsum" (if there is one, outside of East Tawas, MI, where it indicates employment ;) ) and that of "gypping" (or "Gypsy"). (...) What's so (...) (23 years ago, 14-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, William R. Ward writes: <SNIP> Notice is given to all that a reply was sent in private. Paul Sinasohn LUGNET #115 (23 years ago, 14-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's an entirely different subject. My point is to allow Iraq to function as country by lifting the sanctions that have destroyed the nations infrastructure and demoralized and destroyed the lives of so many innocent people. (...) There's an (...) (23 years ago, 14-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) 100% pure bullsh*t my friend, but you will think as you wish. By rephrasing it, you changed the meaning for your selfish purposes, not for the greater need of understanding. If you were intent on understanding, you wouldn't throw in the little (...) (23 years ago, 14-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Maggie C. (who would be living testament to the notion that the memory is the first to go except that I've always been this way! Oh, wait, I hope I'm not offending anyone with my use of the word TESTAMENT!) (23 years ago, 14-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) American groups working for political or social change. What exactly they were advocating isn't important to my point. (...) No, I count noses in fest pictures. It may be an invalid inference from that to the makeup of lugnet as a whole but (...) (23 years ago, 14-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Since I share Bruce's misgivings on this subject, I'll mention a few thoughts, too. The validity or invalidity of the LP's views is, of course, wholly independent of the racial, cultural, age, or gender makeup of the party, but that's not what (...) (23 years ago, 14-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ok, what is SCLC or AIM? (...) How do you know that we are more white - you only assume (as I do). That is not really the question (LUGNET does not attempt to represent the views of society). The question is : Why is the LP so "white"? Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 14-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ok, what is SCLC or AIM? (...) How do you know that we are more white - you only assume (as I do). Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 14-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Why? Was the message of the SCLC less valid because SCLC members were mostly black? Was the message of AIM less valid because AIM was mostly native american? I resent the implication that groups need to be "ethnically balanced" to have valid (...) (23 years ago, 14-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, heck--you've met pretty much the entire Party. (URL) Dave! (23 years ago, 14-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Thanks for the pointer. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 14-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I imagine some will get similarly upset when I refer to gypsum. If people are willing to go to such preposterous etymological lengths to be offended, I'd like to point out that every time someone "testifies" in court or elswhere, that person (...) (23 years ago, 14-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So if a business, American or otherwise, trades with Iraq, selling food, tools, whatever, and they make lots of money -- is that bad or good? Are they economic imperialists? Are they exploiting the Iraqis? What about buying oil from Iraq? Does (...) (23 years ago, 14-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think it was taken fairly seriously--not as a veiled slur but as a matter of public embarrassment resulting in an offer of resignation by the "offending" party: (URL) In any case, I'm offended by your invocation of Hitler in your use of the (...) (23 years ago, 14-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes and no. "Coloured" (sic: colored <g>) is a really poor term that isn't particularly used in America. It carries the implication that europeans are "normal" and others are not. In the sense Larry meant it, I agree. But in the sense that you (...) (23 years ago, 14-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Avoiding the question I think. Interestingly, I searched for "militia libertarian racist" on google and it came up with this site: (URL) you search that page for occurrences of "libertarian" you will see that I was not all wrong. Scott A (23 years ago, 14-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Thanks for that clarification. Rephrasing it, what I see you saying is that you're never wrong about anything, or at least never willing to admit it, and that you never misstate anything, or at least never see any need to ever correct anything (...) (23 years ago, 14-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I give up. Why? I've never been in favor of it. Or government aid to anyone else except in certain very special situations. ++Lar (23 years ago, 14-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) 100% (23 years ago, 14-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Do these poeple not all tend to group together in readiness for the day the FBI comes to get them and take away their rights? Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 14-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I may well. My US geogrphy is poor. (...) OK, who is john bircher? Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 14-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It is based the a serialisation of a book by Jon Ronson : (URL) read serialisation of the book and heard an interview with him in the BBC. He is clear that those who were at Ruby Ridge and Waco are "heroes of the libertarian movement". (...) (23 years ago, 14-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I've seen indications that it may be a word derived from the trading port of Alexandria, where Egyptian traders' interactions with Europeans gave rise both to the "gypsy" and "gypping" concepts. This is supposedly because at the time Europeans (...) (23 years ago, 14-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Maybe I should explain the sanctions against Iraq better. It's not about trade with America, it's not about business with America, it's about starving and killing innocent men, women and children and destroying the infrastructure of Iraq. The (...) (23 years ago, 14-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And even if it were not derived from "Gypsy", as long as there is any possibility that people might be offended, it is probably safer not to use the term. "Renege", which is actually derived from the Latin renegare, meaning to deny, comes to (...) (23 years ago, 14-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) debate. (...) to (...) place (...) foreign (...) to (...) So if trade is bad, then shouldn't the Iraqis be grateful that they are sanctioned? Now they don't have to worry about American economic imperialists exploiting their labor and natural (...) (23 years ago, 14-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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TYPO IN MY PREVIOUS POST, PLEASE CORRECT: (...) I meant "I did NOT call LEGO collectors...etc" I mistakenly left out the NOT in that sentence. Let it be clear that I did NOT call LEGO collectors materialistic, greedy or immoral. Dan (23 years ago, 14-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I mean dominating other nations through unethical trading practicing or harsh sanctions or expoitating human labor and natural resources of other nations. There's no morality in using force to "defend" our greedy business ventures and economic (...) (23 years ago, 14-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I said "whatever" because I sensed you had more to say on the matter, which you obviously do. Did I not say "everyone has their thing" and for collectors "to collect away and enjoy their collection"? How much more inclusive would you like me (...) (23 years ago, 14-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) He is correct. From Dictionary.com: gyp also gip (jp) Slang tr.v. gypped, also gipped gyp·ping, gip·ping gyps, gips To deprive (another) of something by fraud; cheat or swindle. n. 1. A fraud or swindle. 2. One who defrauds; a swindler. (...) (23 years ago, 14-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In the good old days it was colonialism and empire building--theft and occupation of other lands and exploitation of the native people and resources. We can't do that anymore today, everybody is watching everybody, so we build an economic (...) (23 years ago, 14-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Heh. That reminds me of my favorite footnote... In the introduction to Struggle for Mastery in Europe, AJP Taylor says something about European diplomats of the time being generally honest. Then in the footnote, he says something like, "It is (...) (23 years ago, 14-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's the COBOL equivalent (minus the nuances about pre/post incrementation) to ++Lar (increment Lar by 1 in C++) Try this then... 10 SET L = L + 1 (23 years ago, 13-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) The meaning of alliance in 1914 was already different than that in the 1780s. The point in 1914 that caused the war was very simply and plainly--as several recent studies and unearthed documents have confirmed--that the German leadership (...) (23 years ago, 13-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snip> (...) Well, yes and no. While it may be easier to project power now than then, it was already easier in 1914, and I would argue that entangling alliances made WW I flare up worse and faster than if it had been just Austro Hungary (...) (23 years ago, 13-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah, I was hoping Gorman would get the nomination myself. Assasination is probably not something most Libertarians would agree with, and I'm sure it's not in the platform. I think his idea was to put bounties on people, like, $1 million for (...) (23 years ago, 13-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I hadn't realized that Libertarians endorsed state-sponsored killing of anyone, which would be the most likely source of this kind of assassination attempt (other than attempts internal to that nation.) In addition, Harry Browne is neither a (...) (23 years ago, 13-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes (...) As is the ability to keep tabs with one's home nation in microseconds rather than months. The reason I mention this, and the reason I basically reject the "entangled alliances" caution, is (...) (23 years ago, 13-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) policies (...) and (...) Well, exactly what our national interests are is certainly a matter for debate. I was just saying that whatever we decide they are, it is fine to use force to protect them. But if by economic imperialism, you mean free (...) (23 years ago, 13-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Somewhat, yes. Largely? Not sure. Certainly the ability to rain defeat on your enemy 12000 miles away in a matter of a few hours is a major difference, though. (...) I don't give deific status to anyone or anything (other than, perhaps, (...) (23 years ago, 13-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But there's a reason that the past is in the past. The world as Jefferson (whose idea of property, by the way, included certain individuals who were not duly compensated for their labor in his service) perceived it is largely irrelevant to the (...) (23 years ago, 13-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Dan: Permit me to take a guess, both for clarity's sake and also to make sure that I understand what he's saying. He's referring not to the "inalienable" rights of Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness, but rather the (...) (23 years ago, 13-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You said "whatever", suggesting that you didn't agree. I restated it in hopes that you would clarify if you do or don't agree that inclusiveness is good. (...) Not that you disagree with what? (...) Great, (aside from the loaded words) but I (...) (23 years ago, 13-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Which "libertarian" white supremacists were these? The viewpoints are totally incompatible. That's twice in this thread you've made this false connection. ++Lar (23 years ago, 13-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Which "libertarian" white supremacists were these? The viewpoints are totally incompatible. That's twice in this thread you've made this false connection. ++Lar (23 years ago, 13-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Economic imperialism, whatever that might be, surely doesn't fall within *this* libertarian's definition of what an appropriate national interest ought to be. Can you define what you mean a bit more? What I think Mark is getting at is that the (...) (23 years ago, 13-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Which compounds are these? I'm not familiar with any such "libertarian" compounds. ++Lar (23 years ago, 13-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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