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Re: Libertarian Propaganda
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Date: 
Wed, 13 Jun 2001 18:10:28 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Daniel Jassim writes:

The difference between domestic policy and foreign policy is that when we
make domestic policy, we are dealing with citizens who have constitutional
rights and are subject to a common law and authority. Their rights should be
infringed as little as possible and only to protect the person and property
of others. In foreign policy we are dealing with sovereign nations who exist
in a state of nature. There is no common authority above them. They have no
rights as far as other nations are concerned and have no obligation to treat
each other in any "proper" manner.

Perhaps I misunderstand you, but are you saying that only Americans have
rights, such as those of "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness"? I
thought these were "inalienable human rights" not specific to Americans? If
I follow you correctly, America has no obligation to honor the rights of
people in other countries, the same rights America calls "inalienable." I
hope this isn't you sentiment.

  Dan:  Permit me to take a guess, both for clarity's sake and also to make
sure that I understand what he's saying.  He's referring not to the
"inalienable" rights of Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness, but
rather the Constitutionally-ennumerated rights nominally acknowledged in the
sovereign nation of the US for its citizens, but not simultaneously declared
in other sovereign nations.  That is, since the ennumerated "rights" in the
US are a function of our own sovereignty, we are unable (again, nominally)
to force these rights to be honored by and within other sovereign nations.
  Having said that, I still think the distinction between nations in this
way is arbitrary.  If a "right" is a "right," then it doesn't matter if
you're a US citizen or a citizen of Shangri-La; it's still a right.

     Dave!



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(...) And what is our national interest, besides economic imperialism? (...) What are our national interests, besides economic imperialism? (...) Perhaps I misunderstand you, but are you saying that only Americans have rights, such as those of (...) (23 years ago, 13-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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