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Re: Libertarian SPAM (Propaganda)
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Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:54:26 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
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> > > You haven't seen a demonstration of how this is detrimental?!? Did you miss
> > > the reasons for the civil rights movement? Ensuing riots in reaction to
> > > racism? I pointed out earlier that you get that kind of thing from
> > > disenfranchisement of vast segments from society.
On the topic of disenfranchisement... I feel pretty disenfranchised. Bush
can take his 600 bucks and stick it.
> > > You get it even now -
> > > make the forces against it weaker and you'll get it more. Idunno - I find
> > > that terribly detrimental.
> >
> > Oh, me too. I just don't see it as following from allowing (not requiring)
> > businesses (with no barriers to entry) to choose who to serve. Jim Crow laws
> > REQUIRED businesses to discriminate.
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> > ++Lar
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> *Some* did. Note the first one listed here:
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> http://www.nps.gov/malu/documents/jim_crow_laws.htm
Noted. Quoting:
"No person or corporation shall require any white female nurse to nurse in
wards or rooms in hospitals, either public or private, in which negro men
are placed."
Although worded carefully to make it seem like it's optional, this seems to
require discrimination to my read, if you work through the implications of
preventing a business from telling its employees who they should serve...
that is, if some business did not want to have segregated wards and asked
nurses to work in unsegregated wards, as soon as one refused, it had a
massive scheduling problem since that business could not dismiss the nurse
on pain of law.
If this isn't micromeddling in how a business conducts its affairs then I
don't know what it is.
I did not read all the laws in your cite but that particular one fails your
categorization because it requires discrimination.
> Further, I'm sure you know that businesses that *wanted* to discriminate
> were behind those laws - typifying all businesses in these states as
> innocent victims isn't exactly accurate.
Didn't say that. Did you? Haven't denied that businesses, given the chance,
will play a game that *allows* for them to get unfair advantage in such a
way that they *do* get unfair advantage. I prefer to change the game rules
so that no one business can get unfair advantage written into law.
> My point was that Libertarians
> wish to weaken government protections, in any case.
Wish to decrease government interference. Big difference.
I don't feel particularly "protected" by my government. Especially if I
happen to have views that are a bit out of the norm... I'm liable to be
framed on phony charges and then shot at by snipers when I don't meekly
appear at an arraignment that I never received notice of.
The government doesn't discriminate, it oppresses lots of different groups.
Just in different ways. Welfare as it currently is constructed is a
particularly insidious form of oppression, as you highlighted.
You still need to show that allowing free association and choosing who to do
business with is in and of itself unjust or that it is likely to lead to unrest.
++Lar
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| (...) Well no wonder you feel disenfranchised - the American people rejected Dubya both on a majority and plurality base, and he's still the president. :-( But on a greater level, you feel disenfranchised because the political philosophy you support (...) (23 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) *Some* did. Note the first one listed here: (URL) I'm sure you know that businesses that *wanted* to discriminate were behind those laws - typifying all businesses in these states as innocent victims isn't exactly accurate. My point was that (...) (23 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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