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Re: Sanctions (was: Libertarian Propaganda)
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Thu, 14 Jun 2001 14:37:09 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Daniel Jassim writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Marc Nelson, Jr. writes:
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> > So if trade is bad, then shouldn't the Iraqis be grateful that they are
> > sanctioned? Now they don't have to worry about American economic imperialists
> > exploiting their labor and natural resources. No greedy American business
> > ventures can make any economic gains by selling things to Iraq. Aren't they
> > better off?
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> Maybe I should explain the sanctions against Iraq better. It's not about
> trade with America, it's not about business with America, it's about
> starving and killing innocent men, women and children and destroying the
> infrastructure of Iraq. The sanctions are a ban against any nation trading
> or offering aid to Iraq. The sanctions are not particular to American trade
> or business with Iraq. The sanctions prevent Iraq from obtaining essential
> things from ANY nation-- items such as food, medicine, tires, machine parts
> and tools. The Iraqi people IN NO WAY are better off with the sanctions.
So if a business, American or otherwise, trades with Iraq, selling food, tools,
whatever, and they make lots of money -- is that bad or good? Are they economic
imperialists? Are they exploiting the Iraqis? What about buying oil from Iraq?
Does that constitute exploitation of natural resources?
I am against economic sanctions myself. I think they usually hurt everybody
but the government of the offending nation, plus they provide an easy way for
cowardly politicians to "take action" without actually doing anything.
> And I never said trade is bad.
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> > You seem to think that any economic activity that results in profit is
> > unethical, exploitative, and greedy.
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> No I don't think of it that way. But greed IS unethical. Profit through
> exploitation IS unethical. Does our country practice unethical business and
> achieve economic success through exploitation--YES.
What exactly are you talking about when you say exploitation and unethical
business practices? Please give us some examples. I am trying to figure out
what you think good business practices are.
> > But then you acknowledge the benefits of
> > trade by accusing Bush of war crimes for not allowing it to take place.
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> Benefits of trade with whom? With us? No, Bush and Clinton are both
> sons-of-whores for banning other nations from helping the Bosnians, even
> supplying rifles so they could at least defend their homes (not that it
> would make a difference against mortars, artillery and helicopter
> gunships). Those bastard's excuse: The Bosnians might turn on the Serbs and
> it would lead to more bloodshed. Is that a green light for the Serbs or
> what? And they took full advantage of it and murdered over 600,000 Bosnians.
> They butchered, raped and massacred the Bosnians and we stood by. Imagine
> someone attacks you and pulls a knife. There's a guy watching who also
> carries a knife but says you can't use it, nor does he step in to help you.
> We cannot pretend that we meant well. In my opinion, the case with Bosnia
> reflects America's prejudice against Moslems. If anyones want to jump on
> that, explain why Americans were so keen to help the people of Kosovo, who
> had yet to endure what the Bosnians had endured?
The Albanians are 75% Muslim. Why did we bomb Serbia to help them out if
America hates Muslims so much? The real question is why are we involved in
Yugoslavia at all? What is our national interest?
> > It looks like the US is damned if we do and damned if we don't. What's the • deal?
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> Sorry if it comes off that way. But if leadership is truly corrupt, does it
> not deserve damnation?
I guess everything the US does is wrong to you. I think you place too much
blame on the US government when the real cause of Iraq's problems is their own
government. You talk about Bush "murdering" Iraqis in a war (a war started by
Iraq), but they have been murdered by their own government for decades. Not
everything can be blamed on the Great Satan.
-Marc Nelson Jr.
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| (...) That's an entirely different subject. My point is to allow Iraq to function as country by lifting the sanctions that have destroyed the nations infrastructure and demoralized and destroyed the lives of so many innocent people. (...) There's an (...) (23 years ago, 14-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Maybe I should explain the sanctions against Iraq better. It's not about trade with America, it's not about business with America, it's about starving and killing innocent men, women and children and destroying the infrastructure of Iraq. The (...) (23 years ago, 14-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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