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(...) Hence the "complete darkness" bit in the question. :)) Given the size of the ‘bot I don’t think it’s much of a challenge to completely shield the light sensor from all ambient light. I’m just wondering if it’s possible to reliably tell the (...) (21 years ago, 23-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) DaveK I suspect is incommunicado due to work (pfft. Work.) concerns. But we never knew the floor readings back in rtl3/4/5 anyways, because when you get to the Library all the lighting is different. Calum (21 years ago, 23-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Hey Dave K, Do you like techno at all? If you do, what kind. Also, can you please post light sensor readings of the playing field, as well as of the white and black squares? Preferably shielded from ambient lightning or even in complete (...) (21 years ago, 23-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) I've been thinking that maybe it could work (not optimally, but it'd move) by redesigning the two center non-swivelling wheels with a motor on each, slaved from the same RCX control. Properly geared down, it may have enough oomph to move the (...) (21 years ago, 22-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Nik built a 6 wheel rocker bogie rover (unsteered and straight drive, not geared) with 6 micromotors. It works, sort of. But as soon as you get in a little trouble terrainwise, if a motor binds up, you're done for. Those motors bind easily and (...) (21 years ago, 22-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Me too - the Pathfinder rover was what ended my dark ages, trying to replicate the suspension. I did eventually make a non-steering rover body with the unsprung suspension that carried an RCX (massive structure, since I only had two motors and (...) (21 years ago, 22-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Thanks. I usually just freehand them in Microsoft ImageComposer in a sort of "cartoon MCAD like" style. It was a little freebie that came with FrontPage97 which I got used to many many years ago. It does 80% of what you need from PhotoShop on (...) (21 years ago, 22-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) By the way what do you use to draw those diagrams. Derek (21 years ago, 22-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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I don't get it? Derek (21 years ago, 22-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) That reminds me of my favorite one liner: A baby seal walks into a club... (21 years ago, 22-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) YA BABY!!!!! now we're talking.... let me feel some of that "touch event" I posted this 5 min ago, and I'm still laughing!!!!!! I'm telling ya, Chris-Land is a ~GREAT~ place. now back to my penguin bashing.(1) Chris There's no 'I' in 'team'. (...) (21 years ago, 22-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) I was wondering about this one myself while building it the night before. My issue is how to motorize the wheels without making it look stupid, ie having giant motor pods on the ends of the "suspension". You can't do it with micromotors (not (...) (21 years ago, 22-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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Okay folks, I added a friendly diagram to explain how I think the arbitrator interface works: (URL) feel free to correct me. I have deliberately left out how the Arbitrator in reality signals via output as a touch event, suffice to say, you will (...) (21 years ago, 22-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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Ever since I picked up the 7471 Mars Rover a few months ago, I thought it screamed out for an RCX modification. I saw a lot of discussion about the possibility, but didn't find where anybody had actually successfully done it. Now that BrickFest PDX (...) (21 years ago, 22-Jan-04, to lugnet.space, lugnet.robotics, lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto, lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos, lugnet.org.us.smart, lugnet.org.scibrick)
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(...) I'm as shocked about this as anyone. And I was annoyed that it's the same weekend as rtl15. So I really was hoping it wouldn't come through. There is a small chance that while I may not be at rtl15, my robot might show up. We'll see. Anywayze, (...) (21 years ago, 22-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Hey, if you ever need anyone to PLAY Munchkin Fu with, let me know! -Greg (21 years ago, 22-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) let me get this straight (freak boy) someone is PAYING YOUR WAY to europe, presumably paying for your meals, and accommodations...... and in return you have to..... . .. sign your name?? that's it?? your a freak. you do no deserve to be (...) (21 years ago, 22-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Hmm, does this mean I should or shouldn't ask you about getting signed copy of Munchkin Fu? Derek (21 years ago, 22-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) I hope so. Then they might cancel the trip and I can come to rtl15! -Greg (21 years ago, 22-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) UMmmmm.... if your so famous, dont-cha-think that ~MAYBE~ they might be hanging on every word you say... and reading this???? Chris "It is a very clever strategy IMHO, and I applaud Chris for thinking of it." K.C. (21 years ago, 22-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) I would! I, sadly, won't be able to make it to rtl15, despite my complaining for a "greg-able" contest, and even having a robot (almost) ready to compete. It seems I'm so famous that someone wants to fly me to europe to sign autographs. People (...) (21 years ago, 21-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) You can easily home to the stop button, then move off, a bit. And, you could mount two buttons in the same place, one connected to your bot, one connected to the external wire. (21 years ago, 21-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Don't forget us. DanB/JennB/DaveE - the robot is done, and it will be there - even if it does play a rand7 game :) (21 years ago, 21-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Okay, let me draw the picture. (...) Hrm. I had planned on homing into the stop button. I guess I'll have to think of something else. (...) Well, so far I see this: The Dones: Steve is bringing four. Mike Purvis will have one. That means at (...) (21 years ago, 21-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Two lines running between the robots. (...) You can hold it down up to one second. You must then release it. Otherwise if you are holding it down and the other bot signals the end of its turn you've just told the other bot to play again. Give (...) (21 years ago, 21-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Sure. I will draw one up tonight. There is only one sensor per robot. When playing via arbitrator, that sensor is pushed by Robot A and is connected to Arbitrator. Arbitrator then signals Robot B to start on B's sensor port. Robot B is (...) (21 years ago, 21-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) <MAJOR SNIPAGE> argh!!!! ok, today my brain is like a small bowl of mush. can someone do up a pretty picture with labels??? just to see if I got this: a sensor is connected to the arbitrator. but that sensor is actually located on Steve's (...) (21 years ago, 21-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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Oh, and that should be One Wire, Two Wire, Red Wire, Blue Wire. Derek (21 years ago, 21-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Unfortunately, as I pointed out in earlier posts this is not acceptable. Others have pointed out problems with connecting sensor ports together. I don't want any sensor port connected directly to my control lab. So, just like listening to your (...) (21 years ago, 21-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Do *I* need to explain the rules to YOU? There are two wires going between robots. YOU have a touch sensor on YOUR robot that is connected ONLY to MY sensor port. I have a touch sensor on my robot that is not connected to anything on MY robot, (...) (21 years ago, 21-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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C$ questions the rules say this: The touch sensor must be a physical Lego Mindstorms touch sensor. When a robot has completed a move it will press its own touch sensor which will be monitored by both the opponent robot and the Arbitrator. The button (...) (21 years ago, 21-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Extra wire? Oh. I have 2 wires (one in, one out) attached. That's enought (for me) right? I think even with these long wires, things may still be tight, so I AM planning an bringing extra. As for pratice, we (here in Lafayette) are getting (...) (21 years ago, 21-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) That's definitely good. The problem is we need one extra wire per robot when using the Arbitrator. So we need extra wires for this. So if you have, and can bring extra long wires, like the 3ft ones, that would be great. Derek (21 years ago, 21-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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Hey guys, I'm concerned about testing out how the event will work and interop between robots. I'm not concerned about Derek's arbitrator, but I am concerned robots won't interoperate between each other for some other unforseen reason. We've never (...) (21 years ago, 21-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) I have the real long wires (I think about 3ft) attached to my robots. Is that long enough? That gives about 2.5 ft from my bot to the arbitrator. (21 years ago, 21-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Actually that would be 4 pairs, 8 robots, 4 simultaneous games. I think the best solution for manageability is: 2 Laptops 2 control labs, running 2 games off each laptop. Derek (21 years ago, 21-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Please guys, help out here if possible. Assuming we have 4 games, that's alone 8 wires we need to setup for arbitration. (...) You can use mine, no problem. I can't see us needing more than 8 pairs of robots. Calum (21 years ago, 21-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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I've got all the bits to make the Arbitrator, or Arbitrators manage up to 4 simultaneous games. However I don't have enough long wires to connect that many robots to the Arbitrator. Could people please bring any extra long wires they have so we'll (...) (21 years ago, 21-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Just whacked the bird a whopping 587.1 with several bounces... always hated that Chilly Willy. Now quick, someone find "smack the Americn Idol contestant", because I can feel a 700 brewing. -Nick (21 years ago, 21-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Awesome little game Tobbe, thanks! My personal best: 576.3 (with a few bounces) It seems like the laws of projectile motion do not apply to penguidynamics :) John (21 years ago, 21-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Kevin, you are absolutely correct. With kevin's core engine, and my robot, then this will be a winning combination. Kevin, I've seen what you can do in C and I will publicly stand by what I said. You are a genius, and you can STILL keep it in (...) (21 years ago, 21-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) <much totalitarian snippage> (...) Hey, don't you mean we?!?!? Kevin "YOU ARE A GENIUS!!!!!! you can put that in your sig file!!!" Chris Magno (21 years ago, 21-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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Calum and i were talking last night about the flow of the day. we are in the space from 9 am to 4 pm (we have to be clean and gone by 5) the games start at 11, and we don't have ANY CLUE as to how many robots will show up. could be 5, could be 10. (...) (21 years ago, 20-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) thank you calum. when we first started this, (RTL) YES it was for US! it was at my theatre, and was FREE!!!! it then became a library that we paid $50 a day for and that was cheap. THEN the big amalgamation hit, and it became $400 a day, and (...) (21 years ago, 20-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Well we'll be able to run up to 4 simultaneous connect four games for people to watch. Off players will be playing audience members. And marble sorting will be going on. There will be lots for people to look at, and unlike any past event (...) (21 years ago, 20-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Yes, the memo between us and TPL about sponsoring room rentals. rtl15 is advertised as a Library Event, hence, we need to guarantee something interesting to some degree. (...) We are, so you won't see me doing the laser light show or running (...) (21 years ago, 20-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) In case you didn't know, a good sumo match can be very fun to watch. (just like the good Last Bot Standing matches) :) :) (21 years ago, 20-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Question? When did we start caring about the audience? Did I miss a memo? I thought we were doing this for our own enjoyment. Derek (21 years ago, 20-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) I was just watching Sports Night last night and the scene where Jeremy was in the booth talking about his meeting with Rebecca-- Jeremy--"She gave me quite the tongue lashing by the way..." Natalie--"...Excuse me, she did what???" Ahhh, (...) (21 years ago, 20-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Well, that's sort of the reason why we're running it...we know C4 will be brutally boring for the general public, so we're running marbles to entertain them. (...) Hello. Calum (21 years ago, 20-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) We can debate how much fun the marble sorting's gonna be... how 'without a hitch' it's gonna run... how it's probably going to be the 'event of choice' for 4 out of 5 attendees... but... whatever I'm going to go watch Stockard Channing give (...) (21 years ago, 20-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Update: 574,9 (with bounce) First try efter writing the post above this one. Suppose Chris poked me with his stick-o-muse. (21 years ago, 20-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) I guess that's with out bounce. I have yet to smack that birdie longer then 500 but it's doable - I'm told. (...) Yup. (...) I had a little of a SB-marathon last week watching all 94 episodes. I had seen a few here and there. I loved #43, (...) (21 years ago, 20-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) YA BABY !!!! watch that birdy fly!!!! oh ansd stroibng bad is gfood rtoo!!!! its hard to type witgh these gloves onb!!! Chris There's no 'I' in 'team'. There's four in 'platitude-quoting idiot'. (21 years ago, 20-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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Note to self: If ever in Toronto visiting the rtl-crowd; Don't let Iain cook. :) (21 years ago, 20-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) tray (...) No but here is an alternate way I have discovered to thaw a block of butter. First I put the butter in the microwave but the foil caught fire. (URL) I put it on top of my very warm cablemodem, and this has done the trick (...) (21 years ago, 20-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) <3 pingu Iain PS - anyone know what resistor I need to put inline with say, 4 LED's in series (I think that works?), to run off the cigarette lighter in my car? I want to put blue or green LED's in the floor area of the Hawk and have 'em give (...) (21 years ago, 20-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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a> take-a-break.exe (URL) (21 years ago, 20-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) from the owen, any chance of a photo demonstrating the mess? (21 years ago, 20-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Put your "pants" back on and relax, man... it's not that no one reads your posts, it's that it's difficult to type responses while laughing that hard. Hope that helps. (21 years ago, 20-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) DUDE!!! eggs are bad 'cause of where they come from... think about it... THE BOTTOM OF CHICKENS!!! my god man. the BOTTOM!!! ughn Chris "It is a very clever strategy IMHO, and I applaud Chris for thinking of it." K.C. (21 years ago, 20-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Dammit, because my next edition was going to be "egg sandwich". Basically you replace the fish and tartar sauce with an egg. Jessi came over and showed me how to do that a few weeks ago when we went skating. Eggs are borderline with me though (...) (21 years ago, 20-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) I also hate fish! and eggs. Chris "It is a very clever strategy IMHO, and I applaud Chris for thinking of it." K.C. (21 years ago, 20-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) I think you need to relax and have a fish sandwich. (URL) Iain (21 years ago, 20-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) ARGH!!!! does no one read my POSTS!!! pant, pant, pant, pant... oh, hello Mr. Wall, Mr Desk. How are you? I know its been some time since last we spoke, but I thought we could chat ONCE AGAIN about c$ and ties. you remember. when I spoke (...) (21 years ago, 20-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) I have more marbles than calum. and I think Bruce LOST his marbles. Chris gee that was fun. (21 years ago, 20-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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WHAT!!! you cant POST THIS!!! this is a SECRET Steve H strategy!!!!!! EVERYONE STOP READING THIS!!!! (...) -- Chris "It is a very clever strategy IMHO, and I applaud Chris for thinking of it." K.C. (21 years ago, 20-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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Creak creak creak (add sound of cricket here)... Boy, C$ is sure getting a lot of debate... Is there not something we can debate about with Marble? Dave A (21 years ago, 19-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Right, but I can't go and deliberately say, everyone should try and be fast and rule out other ways of playing the game. Hence, we recommend three minutes or less, not we recommend you hurry the crap up because we're getting bored. I would not (...) (21 years ago, 19-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Basically: - Use a move book for the first few plays of the game, so that these are instantaeous decisions. After all, if you're using Alpha-Beta, it's much less effective at pruning earlier in the game. - Try to keep time spent 'doing (...) (21 years ago, 19-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) It's recommended. We didn't want to put in a hardset rule that said "be under three minutes exactly" but we did want to discourage someone who would take 29 minutes or whatever to execute one move. Obviously you're going to have to use your (...) (21 years ago, 19-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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Steve, as much as I hate this: the rule is the rule. I personally don't want any more rule changes now. so the rule pages says 3 min. each player has up to 3 min. to move per turn. !!!!~BUT~!!!!! if two players agree ahead of time, ~!!and have the (...) (21 years ago, 19-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) <rule quote> Timing ...The robot may use more or less time for any given move, however, it is recommended that the robot must complete a single move in a maximum of three minutes. </rule quote> Is there a three minute move time limit or is (...) (21 years ago, 19-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) YES. you are the only one. even in the rules page it says that we all know ahead of time who is first or second, and, by extension, you (the human) have enough time to do what ever is needs to make your robot work. Chris (21 years ago, 19-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) That's what I understood when I read your message at the root of this thread (repeated here for convenience): <paste> The robot will scan the board, see that there are no chips played, play its first move and pass turn. The second robot will (...) (21 years ago, 19-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Sorry. I think I understand your confusion now. I suggested the board scan because it means you don't have to have two entry points into you program, and you don't have to explicitly tell your robot whether it's playing first or second. This (...) (21 years ago, 19-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) What the **c* are you talking about. I've suggested no such thing! Whether you will play first is decided well before you load your robot with chips. That has nothing to do with it. I'm merely suggesting how the robots should be told to start (...) (21 years ago, 19-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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Tonight, I got together with some LEGO friends, and found out a couple interesting things. 1) There will be FOUR robots making the ten hour trip from Indiana to play Connect-Four in rtl 15. 2) More than one robot at rtl15 will be XR7 class robots. (...) (21 years ago, 19-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Ok, please thin out my skull a bit more... The loonie says I go first and I stack my robot with red chips. So why can't I just select program #2 (the "I go first program" and then press the magic Run button? Why do I have to wait for the (...) (21 years ago, 19-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | Re: attention Calum Tsang & Chris Magno (was Re: Starting C4 Games)
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(...) no you get it, mario is just a bit thick. mario, you listen, I'll talk: I take a canadian coin, (a loonie) (URL) it will be "tossed" someone will be declared first..... each player will be asked if they are ready. between the "call" and "yes (...) (21 years ago, 19-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | Re: attention Calum Tsang & Chris Magno (was Re: Starting C4 Games)
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(...) Wouldn't the coin get tossed, the players selected, and then the bots get loaded with the appropriate colors? I don't get it, I think? (21 years ago, 18-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | Re: attention Calum Tsang & Chris Magno (was Re: Starting C4 Games)
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Well it's time to open the can of worms. The rules state: "A coin toss by the robot designers decides which robot will start first. The person who moves first always starts with red game pieces. Each robot is required to be able to be started (...) (21 years ago, 18-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | Re: ATTENTION CALUM TSANG & CHRIS MAGNO (was Re: Starting C4 Games)
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(...) If you use a remote you must be very careful you don't interfere with the opposing robot. If you both use the same signal to say play first, then there'll be a might crash. This is not C4 sumo. :-) (...) Actually I didn't say anything about (...) (21 years ago, 18-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | Re: ATTENTION CALUM TSANG & CHRIS MAGNO (was Re: Starting C4 Games)
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(...) Yes, you can do this now. Since the turn pass touch sensor is exclusively yours, you can do whatever you like with this senor port. Including using another touch sensor if you so wish. Just remember if you screw up your own robot, you loose. (...) (21 years ago, 18-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | Re: attention Calum Tsang & Chris Magno (was Re: Starting C4 Games)
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Ouch! Stop yelling CALUM TSANG and CHRIS MAGNO, I have enough trouble listening to their names in a normal tone. For some reason I missed read the description of the game start the other day. My suggestion is not substantially different, but it's (...) (21 years ago, 18-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | Re: ATTENTION CALUM TSANG & CHRIS MAGNO (was Re: Starting C4 Games)
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!!! I SPEAK THUS !!! Dereks Idea is sound. and simple. BUT it does not have to BE the final way!!!!! WHEN you prg your RCX I don't care HOW you tell it if it is the first or second prg. WATCH and be AMAZED at my AWESOME POWERS!!! method 1. ---...--- (...) (21 years ago, 18-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | Re: ATTENTION CALUM TSANG & CHRIS MAGNO (was Re: Starting C4 Games)
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(...) Derek's proposal changes what a click of your sensor means: It used to mean: Your opponent has played a chip... make your move. It is now proposed to mean: You opponent has played a chip *OR* this is a brand new game and you have been chosen (...) (21 years ago, 18-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | Re: ATTENTION CALUM TSANG & CHRIS MAGNO (was Re: Starting C4 Games)
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(...) Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that Derek's proposal doesn't seriously affect what the interface is, only how it's implemented in terms of the actual arbitrator. You still click a sensor to send the signal, and you still listen for a (...) (21 years ago, 18-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | ATTENTION CALUM TSANG & CHRIS MAGNO (was Re: Starting C4 Games)
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This is on the verge of becoming yet another annoying "late breaking rule change". I personally don't care what I have to code in order to make my bot play nicely, but I DON'T want to have to re-code it at the 11th hour when there will certainly be (...) (21 years ago, 18-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) I'd also like to suggest that you also put the state of the program in the LCD display. That way if you miss the sound, you can still note the state. I'm trying to help Chris with the move calculation of his robot in brickOS. There are only a (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) No we just won't allow this. No sensor ports are to be connected together at any time. Over sort durations we know this doesn't hurt the sensor ports, but we don't know what will happen after a day of game play. Add in the differences of the (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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I'd like to suggest that every one sounds a tone at the end of their turn, and sounds a different tone to at the beginning their turn. Doesn't mater what it is, just that you recognize it. This will help us determine what is happing with turn (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) This is why you cannot listen to your end of turn sensor. There will only ever be one sensor attached to a sensor port and one port attached to one sensor. The will remove all these issues of what happens when two or more sensor ports are (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) I noticed that too. How about we simply agree that everyone connects the arbitrating wire to the sensor with the wire facing away from the display. If someone's design doesn't permit this sort of connection, then it can be easily reversed with (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) For some reason, I was thinking about this today, also. :) I agree this needs to be clear, because VERY few games require this level of start-up cooperation. Your suggestion: 1) Robot 1 receives Start Game signal from Arbitrator (or external (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | Starting C4 Games
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One thing that has not been clearly indicated in the rules is how the connect 4 games will be started. I have what I think is a simple proposal. The game is started by pressing the turn button on the robot that is to go first. If playing with the (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | Re: progress?
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(...) I currently have the mechanics of my robot completed, with the exception of the horizontal drive. As usual the original plan for driving horizontal motion (basically no plan) didn't work out, so the new drive will look a little tacked on. It (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | Re: Quite C and BrickOS (WAS: Re: Steve H, C$, me learning C Brick OS)
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In lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto, Calum Tsang wrote: <snip> (...) Dear Strong Bad, Can you play the guitar? That's what that line reminded me of--dunno why... (...) Hey pal! You suckered me into the trains--don't go trashing that decision now... I was (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | Re: progress?
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(...) Hi Chris, I'd ask over in robotics.rcx.legos. I know that I got the GCC language tools pre-compiled. I had no luck trying to build them myself. Kevin (...) Its about time! ;^) (...) Kevin (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) i am trying to install BrickOS from scratch. as of right now, its chewed through 400 megs on my 700 meg HD on the P233 laptop as well, I started the process to install at 2 pm yesterday, and as of last night @ 8pm it was still churning out the (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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