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(...) Yesterday, random alcohol tests declared to be illegal here in Turkey. What a coincidence..:-) Selçuk (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sorry to jump, but this just reminds me a former RP (a fundamentalist political party in Turkey) senator, who escaped to Germany after found guilty by the court, just announced a few days ago himself as "messiah". Since it is the second Turk (...) (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) For the record, the point was any religion can provide "high moral grounds" for the people or not. You said several times without religion, we could not have a social life, since there would be no ethics, since there wouldn't be a supreme (...) (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Those Germans were Christians, right? And most of the US people (at least the first settlers who "cleaned the indians") are also Christians, right? The southern states of US, who known to be more religious and conservative than the northern (...) (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Changed it, anyway <grin>... I now interpret that as "voice dissent at", and now I get it. Recall the question Maggie asked about libertarian views on abortion? She was surprised at that informal unscientific poll result showing division of (...) (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes - (URL) are moves in the UK to form one. But even if it were to reach the agenda, and you imagine the haggling? And what would the benefit be, I'm already as free as a bird.. tweet tweet. I gruffly compared my freedoms to those you enjoy (...) (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I have now corrected my spelling. (...) Yes. Naturally, just because it can be copyrighted does not make it right to do so. I think inventions and formulations can be copyrighted/patented to protect “investment” of time / money – otherwise (...) (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Can you check that for a possible missing word? I read it a few times and haven't grokked it yet. Thanks! Maybe it's a UK turn of phrase? "voice decent at"?? (...) I'll give it a brief once over later today... you already know what I'm going (...) (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If you rummage around, you’ll find that there are plenty within the LP who voice decent at every thing from your sign up clause (“I do not believe in or advocate the initiation of force as a means of achieving political or social goals.”), to (...) (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh my. Well, heavens. Quite a time! Um, and Scott, being a Briton, I do hope you realise that your country doesn't *have* a constitution. Well, I mean, they do have *stamina*, but no actual Constitution per se. So I suppose the point is moot (...) (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Poll (another of those darn things) recently: 55% are anxious about the whole thing 21% are 'frightened and worried' (how that's different, who knows) 36% are 'amused' I think this means we need to lighten up. And before anyone makes the (...) (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) It was whipped up on the spur of the moment. I'm glad it amused, and not too worried if it wasn't perfect. Nobody is perfect, you know, but some of us take comfort in being Forgiven, and some of us take comfort in improving ourselves. I know (...) (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Including me, of course, as I've said all along. I'll argue for 100% (of whatever) but gladly accept 75% (instead of the 32% I have now)... Based on some of the other stuff you've posted lately I may have to become a small l libertarian (...) (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is all very Hayek - he proposed that the systems of behaviour in humanity is evolving – and that they survive because they are useful, in that they help “society”. He believed that The market had survived the test of time this based on (...) (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Todd bless you, brother..:-) We all believe in Todd, don't we?.. Selçuk (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I can't really figure out if there is any atheistic society. As I know of every society now has some sort of religion right now, as I guess but of course I'm not sure. I really appreciate if you give some living (or lived in some time) (...) (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Thank you, Hannibal. (...) You raise good points, Bill, but don't fall into the trap of trying to prove anything about Christ or God, at least to seasoned debaters such as Lar et al. They will eat you for lunch. But that's okay, because we (...) (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh, don't flatter yourself....like it wasn't obvious! While I found your tale extremely humorous - (which is bad because I just got out of the ICU due to amonia (pneumonia), my ribs are killing me!! I laughed my @$$ off - that's right, I now (...) (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, wouldn't instincts of altruism *always* be obeyed? Certainly altruism in sentient beings is random at best. (...) lol This reminds me of a story a friend told me. His dad was driving and came up to a stop light behind a car that had a (...) (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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On my way home from work today, I was thinking about government structures, and had some interesting ideas, so I offer them for your digestion: The first thought was: If we strive to attain a Libertopia, is there any need for state governments? I (...) (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) While I do subscribe, theologically, to the idea of the "depravity of man" I must say that I also agree with Larry's assessment here that most people are basically decent, honest folk - especially since working thru the state of Nebraska and (...) (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) One of the thoughts I often had is that Islam did a much better job of creating a religion than Christianity did. Some of the reasons: #1 - Their prophet wrote "The Book". #2 - Their prophet lived long enough after getting the ball rolling to (...) (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I was refering to more geopolitical events which had global impact on... well...the globe. I realize that they have made tremendous contributions - like substituting dog meat for pork and cat meat for chicken - just kidding, lighten up, I love (...) (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Again, great points. Romans chapter 2 deals with this in depth, for anyone who cares to look it up. For the record, as to atrocities, it is my opinion that any action which is diametrically opposed to the stated principles of a system cannot (...) (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If I may leap in at this point..... Just got in from work - I'm on the west coast right now so I'm a little behind you east and central time-zoners. I want to make a few points at this juncture with a disclaimer up front: I enjoyed reading (...) (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh, lets see if we can find one or two that had global significance. Paper. No paper, no easy to carry bibles. Gunpowder. No gunpowder, no forcing the natives to read the bibles you made them trade their land away for. How'd I do? ++Lar (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I just find it funny, hope you do too! This election will be over when the Final Recount is held. The Final Recount will consist of counting the votes of seven old men and two old ladies. They live in various precincts in Alexandria, (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Not that I know of. I do it all the time and I never forfeit, just ask me. If you really want to forfeit, you need to ask Rush Limbaugh what equivalence class Clinton is in. Although if Dubya wins, and in 2008 Hillary (divorced at this point) (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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FUT added: lugnet.off-topic.fun When are we going to finish the counting, the court battles, etc. for the new presidential candidate, whoever he may be, and when will all this poetic nonsense stop?? Also, is this going to become a regular feature (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Send a love offering. Select a tract on either Larritarianism OR Lehmanism, your choice, and absolution is yours. ++Lar (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I've set the FUT back where it belongs, this is a serious debate although couched in humor. (...) The offer is open to any who seek enlightenment, not just you. My previous religion scam, er incorrectly revealed revelation which the world was not (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Now, now. When I get home (or perhaps tomorrow, if I don't have time tonight) I'll post examples for you, and we'll see how identical they are. For that matter, what do you mean by "personal aspects" in this case? Is the Bible a different (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) events. (...) And lots of other archeological and historical evidence. (...) You're avoiding the personal aspects here - and the 'versions' are all pretty much the same (contrary to your statement otherwise). I don't have time to go into how (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) D'oh! I was afraid that might happen! I thought I could get through on a technicality, since I wasn't actually likening my opponent to Hitler, but was simply making a point (and I was quoting someone else!) Clemency! Dave! (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) actually (...) a (...) Somehow I knew that you'd be looking for a way to get my ladders. That aside, you haven't proven anything to me. You've only made assertions which you can't prove. You have no context for proving anything related to your (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) As reported by the very document that predicted them. Further, while I recognize that you can drum up historical evidence to support these predictions, I could parry that by asking which revision of the Bible we're cconsidering to have (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Dave! Dave!! Dave!!! You were doing so well, too. Now we're going to have to have this whole debate over again, because you just lost. :-) :-) ++Lar (like we aren't going to have it over again next month anyway?) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I likewise don't understand how "altruism" in sentient beings is different from an instinct of cooperation, compromise, etc., nor why in sentient beings we must ascribe such altruism to a higher power. (...) If you as a Christian, in a fit of (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Both? (...) I can offer this (in response to your 'prediction' - er, prophecy, or whatever) Remember, please, my point about prophecies surrounding major Biblical events. The last event was the birth/life/death of Jesus. About that there were (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) LUGNetters, but I digress. The Lehman DOES indwell LUGNetters and I've just proven it to you. Do you doubt my word? Witness the miracles the Lehman has worked. All those things I mentioned happened to me, personally, and I have had my Road to (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I second that. Jason (who's not looking forward to the traditional Christmas Eve Swedish dinner...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I believe you missed John's point. (Perhaps he didn't state it)... He acts in the world not the because of the group he subscribes to, or affiliates with. John believes that he is not merely acting in accordance with his belief system's (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes: Yawn, Republican disinformation. :-) Bruce But I did laugh... (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Agreed--they're not made false by my dislike, but neither are they made true by your assertion of them. In order for any prophesy to be given any value, it must have some specificity, otherwise you can simply say "well, it didn't happen yet, (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal pollutes the libertarian debate part of our regularly scheduled ranting with god debate stuff: (grin) (...) Reductio ad absurdium: Lehman acts in the world through his people. If I as a LUGNet user give to a (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Lucky you;-) -John (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) and doesn't have the currency symbol problems. I haven't done the research to tell what's real but I don't like the sound of it at all. I'm ready to move on to point 2 if you're ready to concede that the original statement by the NPR wannabe (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't understand how "altruism in animals" is different than an instinct of cooperation, compromise, etc. I guess I'm saying that I think only sentient beings who have free will (or the illusion of it-- different debate, but I digress) are (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) either. (...) Ha! It's very easy to look back on something and say that it was easy to predict. Hindsight is always 20-20 eh? You asked for 2 prophecies that the Bible has made and I've given you them... Ok, so you don't like them, that (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Understood. However, surely you must realize that these two prophecies are sufficiently nebulous to curtail their predictive value? I'm not trying to sound petty, but to claim that Israel would return to its homeland at some time to be named (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ok, I admit I haven't read Friedman since grad school. But I remember thinking then that he ignores the vast motive to cheat the system. And the huge benefits to one who cheats well. (Hitler is a case in point) However, to say that there is an (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's ok if you don't know of any. Consider this... The funny thing about Biblical Prophecies is that they tend to be centered around *major* events. As such, there haven't been any really *major* Biblical / Spiritual events in the past (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Scott's going to regret turning me on to Friedman! (...) Agreed. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I just can't buy this "people are basically bad, and societies that depend on honesty are doomed to fail" argument that comes from so many (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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With all due apologies to the good Doctor Seuss (who, I believe, was a socialist, but I digress) Also, let it be noted that I'm probably actually more in favor of finishing the recounts than suppressing them. But then I don't care if we get Gush or (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) I'm not sure I agree. Please conduct the following (thought?) experiment, then... post a SBA/OBO (for the same thing) to both groups, and in buy-sell-trade, label it SBA, fully delineating the definition Todd posted so there can be no doubt (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I always liked "Bat Blinds", but I don't think it runs on post-Win3x systems. Too bad--it was a lot of fun. Steve (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) They are two names for the same concept, i.e. "thing". Therefore, they *are* the same thing. If one person calls you Lar and another Mr. P, that doesn't make Lar and Mr. P different people. Also, the groups do not form a partition. SBA/OBO is (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Current evolutionary theory identifies benefits in altruism, both among members of the same species and even accross species lines. Such altruism isn't necessarily conscious or deliberate, but it's altruism all the same. The idea is that, (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I came up with a similiar kind of conclusion (well, question) when I was going to parochial school in second grade. Was it good because God says so, or is there something inherently good independent of God? (...) And this is the same question (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) composed in the heat of the moment, and my frustration got the better of me. Of course, if I were truly uncivil, I would have actually *used* swear words and directed them *at* the people, rather than as some sort of lazy adjective. Actually, (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Let's just say it was mutually voluntary transaction and leave it at that, without going into whether I had an obligation not to take advantage of her state of mind given that she voluntarily put herself into that state and initiated the (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, depends on what Christian you ask, probably... some might say that because they weren't derived from God, they *couldn't* be absoloutely pure, and therefore are wrong. Another might argue that yes, the ideals are good, but because that (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It all depends on who you live with I suppose. (...) What! She randomly stopped you and demanded a kiss! How unconstitutional. The supreme court must pass a judgement on this! (The fact the we have neither a constitution or a supreme court (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Rarely, on the above list, which is why I dispute your claim. (...) Kind of a eurocentric viewpoint to claim nearly every major event. See below. (...) Defining Egypt as solely a place that the Jews passed through is belittling its (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's an interesting point, and quite similar to the "is libertarianism on the rise?" discussion. If someone adheres to good ideals which are in step with Christianity, but that person doesn't believe in God, are his ideals still good? I (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The same logic would also apply, however, if I asserted that I have supreme power and choose absolutely not to act on it; does someone's inability to disprove my power make it so? The bottom line, for me, is that if logic could prove the (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It is not in my dictionary either. However, a web search suggests it is a Scandinavian potato dish. :/ Scott A (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (I think you omitted "and then driving" as I have seen no evidence that there is any stigma attached to being drunk, per se, in the UK. :-) Indeed I have been the beneficiary(?) of public drunkenness, having been soundly kissed (in the West (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No they're not! Not in the LUGNET namespace they aren't... They're named differently, and thus are not in the same equivalence class when partitioned by the partitioning function "allowed in market.buy-sell-trade?". The fact that this is their (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I can't find "lefsa" in anywhere, too..:-) Selçuk (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Here in the UK random alchhol test are not strictly legal. However, they do sort of occur. However, for 10-20 yaers now drink driving has been effectivly stigmatised to the point where even drinking within the legal limit (80 mg/l) is frowned (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think it is obvious that christianity (and of course any other religion like Islam and the others) are "supportable", and again all of them has great influences on the known history, but this does not mean they are "reasonable" or (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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A small bit of good news. However when one reads the article one discovers that the court considers drunk driving checkpoints constitutional, and sees no problem in detaining someone outside their home for hours while a warrant is obtained. (URL) (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<cut> (...) Opps. I forgot to say, that fact the LP would stop me from switching the lights on in my own house, is not the only problem I have with it, or libertarianism. Most of the rest evolve from what we discuss here: (URL) And I already told (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You are, off course, assuming a linear scale. I'd view it as logarithmic. (...) One of the big criticisms of the LP argument is that they harp on too much about the evils of "Big Government", without tempering that sentiment with a reflection (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) My original point was that "nearly" every "significant" event in history was in some way, big or small, effected or affected by Judaism or Christianity in response to LarryP statement that Christianity is "unsupportable" and that God is (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Alternate history is an obviously speculative exercise, but I don't see what any of this (except the inquisition and crusades) has to do with Judaeo-Christianity per se. Given that we can't really separate religion from culture and history, (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Again, that's why I said "nearly". I was referring mainly to such things as the World Wars, the Reformation, the Renaissance, the Dark Ages, Israel's significance to everything Middle Eastern (both because of location and direct involvement), (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ummmmmmm, what are you defining as a "major event"? Greek major events excluded? Roman? Chinese? Indian? Japanese? Egyptian? Sumerian? Assyrian? Mayan? Viking? Scientific? That's not to say that many major events weren't linked in some (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, you're right. Ultimately there is only one truth, obviously. But, in a forum where such ideas are presented, predicated upon freedom of speech, I have the same right to present mine as anyone else does. I also restate the fact that (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | An interesting North American Election (was Re: Cdn Election Day)
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(...) Hey, how does the Candian electoral system work? Is it by proportional representation (with set tickets) or by electorate? Based on provinces, or nationally? And is the Prime Minister and Cabinet "chosen" from within the ranks of the (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, I think it fits because, as in Larry's case, he doesn't WANT to know God as he perceives Him to be. The problem is his perception of what God is. And yet, in my opinion, the blame for so many who are utterly repulsed by the thought (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Try here; (URL) at the moment, as I checked, that very cover page has plenty of election coverage. There's even a National Results link on the right side (under "snapshot") that takes you to a chart with various percentages and the like. Don't (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And yet it is kinda like sharpening swords and having at it, isn't it. Must be a guy thing. (...) And again, that's fine with me. I know what I believe, and more importantly, I know why. Believe me, I'm a huge skeptic, I question myself and (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Paul certainly is right: SBA's and OBO's are the same thing. (...) No, I haven't. I never have said that single-round sealed-bid auctions were the same as, or equivalent to, or even remotely the same as, straight sales. I _have_ been trying to (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.market.theory, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (Snip) (...) Minor philospohical point I had to add.... While everyone is entitled to their beliefs, don't even begin to think that that means all beliefs are equal. Sincerity in one's beliefs doesn't make them correct. I may believe that I (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Tom/Larry or whomever... (Too busy to read what's already been discussed... I just caught your post on the news main page... so I'm sure you'll let me know if I've missed something... :-) ) No offense intended, but my philosophy courses taught (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Myself among them, believe me. (...) I blew it already.. OK, *TWO* replies, that's it. :-) Really! I'm sorry if you think I'm ridiculing you. I do find christianity a bit laughable, though. Along with animism, chiropractic, and socialism to (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Where can I read about results? CNN strikes me as unlikely to have in depth coverage. And why wasn't this talked about more BEFORE the election??? PS I went to the Canadian Alliance site, and they seem a little less statist than the Liberals, (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Many of us could also say: "Ugh, The LP debate again...bigger sigh! (...) My views are no less valid than yours, I do not seek to ridicule or stifle yours - or limit them to "ONE" reply. Unlike you, I have no ghosts. (...) Admittedly. Yet, the (...) (24 years ago, 28-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: The god debate again... sigh (Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less?
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(...) To be short, ditto. I find it ends a conversation (that I don't want to plow through YET AGAIN) quicker if I just say I am an atheist, rather than saying I am agnostic. I have had JWs come to my door, I tell them that while I have read The (...) (24 years ago, 28-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | The god debate again... sigh (Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less?
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Plowed ground alert. Let's see if I can manage to just say ONE post on this and then let it go. or if anyone else can either... hahaha... (1) (...) Stipulating that there is a connection for the sake of argument (there isn't): Well, since no one (...) (24 years ago, 28-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I agree with you, it is very unfortunate. For example, people swearing at others just because of their political party affiliation: (URL) ... I have argued that man is not Good, that only God is Good. (...) Maybe you don't associate with (...) (24 years ago, 28-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Freedoms in Libertopia? (was Re: Abortion, consistent with the LP stance? (Re: From Harry Browne)
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(...) Of course such a device does exist, though I'm not sure how accurate it is. (...) So would I. (...) With privitized roads, I don't see any problem with the owner putting any sort of restrictions, including deciding someone looks like a drunk (...) (24 years ago, 28-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Agreed, yet the outcome is the same. (...) Yet, as far as I understand it, the Ontological Argument is more about the nature of existence not whether the thing exists in the first place. As such, the existence of the thing is already a (...) (24 years ago, 28-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hi, Can anyone recommend a good screen saver? Thanks Jay Jacinto (24 years ago, 28-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Larry Pieniazek" <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message news:G4rA0D.9qp@lugnet.com... (...) That does help, I like looking at the pages and learning about people too. And I love Legofests...so what gives? :o) Anyways, Scott, I think ++Lar is (...) (24 years ago, 28-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I like Libertarianism...on paper. In reality, it seems to rely on "enlightened self-interest", which sounds fine again...on paper. The stand about "Yes, Libertarianism would allow racism (and then the rush to get the rest out) (...) (24 years ago, 28-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Consider joining and filling out your member page, I find that often does put a "face" behind the posting ID. At least it does for me anyway... I dunno about others and whether they look at member pages a lot. (...) Scott, rest assured that (...) (24 years ago, 28-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Freedoms in Libertopia? (was Re: Abortion, consistent with the LP stance? (Re: From Harry Browne)
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(...) Are there systems that can prevent irresponsible driving that might work even better than what we have now? The US has an alarmingly high amount of DWI. Our system may not be working all that well. Other countries are even worse. I don't have (...) (24 years ago, 28-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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