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Re: The god debate again... sigh (Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less?
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Wed, 29 Nov 2000 14:50:05 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bill Farkas writes:
> > > > > http://news.lugnet.com/general/?n=24629
> >
> > That's a bit of a stretch, Bill.
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> Admittedly. Yet, the same logic applies perfectly. I DID admit that it was
> all in fun though.
The same logic would also apply, however, if I asserted that I have
supreme power and choose absolutely not to act on it; does someone's
inability to disprove my power make it so?
The bottom line, for me, is that if logic could prove the existence of a
divine being, it would have done so a long time ago and the arguments would
likewise have been ended long ago. Further, if logic could prove such
existence, then Faith by definition has no value.
> > Well, since no one *has* witnessed gods, god or God, in an objective,
> > verifiable way, we're safe there.
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> According to you. Many have witnessed God in verifiable ways. I do not seek
> to open that discussion to a million thread posting though. If it happens,
> so be it.
If it were actually verifiable, there would be no argument, and once again
Faith would have no meaning or value. "Verifiable" for purposes of this
discussion doesn't simply mean "something I experienced and know to be
true," but rather it has to be verifiable (ideally, repeatable) from an
objective perspective. I understand your reluctance to open that part of
the debate, so if you don't want to respond to that part, that's cool.
> > > Those who have not found God have not sought him in the right place.
This is circular reasoning.
> Which is totally fine with me, I don't seek to twist peoples arms into
> agreeing with me - my beliefs are mine.
I should back-pedal just a little; I'm not trying to undo your beliefs,
either. I just want to make sure that, rhetorically, we're (in general--not
just you and me, Bill) on the same page for discussion.
> > I tend to label myself an atheist, because explaining that I'm agnostic to
> > the extent of allowing for the existence of an unknowable spirit who has no
> > effect on the universe whatever (no other kind is supported by the evidence)
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> Yet, He has been guiding all of history as evidenced by fulfilled prophecies
> - which is unrefutable.
I wouldn't presume to ask your an exegesis of these prophecies, but can
you give me a concrete example or two from sometime in the last millennium?
I can't think of any, but my knowledge of the Bible is far from exhaustive.
Dave!
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