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Subject:	Re: The god debate again... sigh (Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less?
Newsgroups:	lugnet.off-topic.debate
Date:	Thu, 30 Nov 2000 03:23:09 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes: > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bill Farkas writes: > > > Actually this current discussion was started by Frank dealing with motives > > for benevolence - which is where I believe the Christian ethic is pertinent. > > That's an interesting point, and quite similar to the "is libertarianism > on the rise?" discussion. If someone adheres to good ideals which are in > step with Christianity, but that person doesn't believe in God, are his > ideals still good? I think Plato took a stab at this a few years ago (in > the Euthyphro?). > The Christian ethic, disregarding for a moment the actual presence or > absence of God, is simply a good way (disregarding also the atrocities > commited by those purporting to act "in the name of God") to get along with > people, if one holds basic ideals of human interaction. If one accepts > those ideals to be logical and self-evident, there is no need to insert a > further divine validation for those ideals. > Obviously this isn't a refutation of the existence of God, nor is it > intended to be. > > Dave! Again, great points. Romans chapter 2 deals with this in depth, for anyone who cares to look it up. For the record, as to atrocities, it is my opinion that any action which is diametrically opposed to the stated principles of a system cannot be then said to be "in the name of" said system. The Bible clearly states that our actions betray our actual beliefs, thus nullifying any apparent claim to the contrary. Bill

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		Re: The god debate again... sigh (Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less?
(...) For the record, the point was any religion can provide "high moral grounds" for the people or not. You said several times without religion, we could not have a social life, since there would be no ethics, since there wouldn't be a supreme (...) (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: The god debate again... sigh (Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less?
(...) That's an interesting point, and quite similar to the "is libertarianism on the rise?" discussion. If someone adheres to good ideals which are in step with Christianity, but that person doesn't believe in God, are his ideals still good? I (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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