To LUGNET HomepageTo LUGNET News HomepageTo LUGNET Guide Homepage
 Help on Searching
 
Post new message to lugnet.off-topic.debateOpen lugnet.off-topic.debate in your NNTP NewsreaderTo LUGNET News Traffic PageSign In (Members)
 Off-Topic / Debate / 7537
7536  |  7538
Subject: 
Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less?
Newsgroups: 
lugnet.off-topic.debate
Date: 
Tue, 28 Nov 2000 23:04:15 GMT
Viewed: 
726 times
  
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes:
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bill Farkas writes:

Both of you have made my point very clearly - namely this, you cannot fix a
problem until you are able to both realize and accept it's root.

Just for the record, I think it's worth noting that John and I arrived at
our conclusions from widely divergent convictions; John's faith is
apparently stronger than mine, but thoughtful rhetorical consideration,
paired with a fair perception of man's behavior, can yield similar results.

Agreed, yet the outcome is the same.


Interestingly enough, we have an unintentional answer to the "God" debate
straight from Big Lar himself:

http://news.lugnet.com/general/?n=24629

Heh.  For good or ill, that's kind of a restating of the long-lived
Ontological Argument for God's Existence.

Yet, as far as I understand it, the Ontological Argument is more about the
nature of existence not whether the thing exists in the first place. As
such, the existence of the thing is already a foregone conclusion. As my
reference to Lar's observation above indicates: someone who has not
witnessed a thing cannot refute someone who has. I don't believe that the
existence of God is a theoretical or "a priori" metaphysical matter. It is a
matter that is quite substantial. The problem is this: one does not seek
answers to mathematics from a literary coach any more than you would seek
Hawaii in the Atlantic. Those who have not found God have not sought him in
the right place.


Bill



Message has 1 Reply:
  The god debate again... sigh (Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less?
 
Plowed ground alert. Let's see if I can manage to just say ONE post on this and then let it go. or if anyone else can either... hahaha... (1) (...) Stipulating that there is a connection for the sake of argument (there isn't): Well, since no one (...) (24 years ago, 28-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Message is in Reply To:
  Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less?
 
(...) Just for the record, I think it's worth noting that John and I arrived at our conclusions from widely divergent convictions; John's faith is apparently stronger than mine, but thoughtful rhetorical consideration, paired with a fair perception (...) (24 years ago, 28-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

231 Messages in This Thread:
(Inline display suppressed due to large size. Click Dots below to view.)
Entire Thread on One Page:
Nested:  All | Brief | Compact | Dots
Linear:  All | Brief | Compact

This Message and its Replies on One Page:
Nested:  All | Brief | Compact | Dots
Linear:  All | Brief | Compact
    

Custom Search

©2005 LUGNET. All rights reserved. - hosted by steinbruch.info GbR