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Re: Libertarian debate in danger of pollution (was Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less?
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Thu, 30 Nov 2000 06:25:59 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
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> And now... I have you and the rest of the christians right where I want
> you.... Observe. (I love it when a plan comes together)
Oh, don't flatter yourself....like it wasn't obvious! While I found your
tale extremely humorous - (which is bad because I just got out of the ICU
due to amonia (pneumonia), my ribs are killing me!! I laughed my @$$ off -
that's right, I now have no @$$!!) it is still fundamentally flawed. You
consistently harangue about no proof or reliable evidence - which is totally
false. First, you act as if witness testimony is totally unreliable - which
is ridiculous, that would stand our whole justice system on end. Yadda yadda
about other types of evidence being preferrable - of course they are, but
that does NOT detract from witness testimony. In YOUR story you admit having
to get witnesses to get their stories straight, yet in the gospel record the
testimony of people who did NOT accept Christianity equally supports it's
claims as those who did. There are Roman documents, secular historian's
writings, Temple documents as well as hundreds of reliable, credible witness
testimonials. Better men than you have sought to discredit Christianity and
have become believers in the face of such evidence. Josh McDowell of course.
His books are full of such evidence. Which, by the way, is the same kind of
evidence that supports the life or actions of any historical event or
person. It is said that there is more evidence for the life of Christ than
of George Washington, yet I don't see you doubting the claims that he was
the first president - a fact you CANNOT prove without such evidence about
which I could make equally as foolish arguments as you do. Also, I doubt
that you would be willing to give your life for the story you told. If they
knew it was contrived then why did they die in poverty defending it, they
had no reputation to uphold, they were scum to most. There is much critical
evidence about the miracles of Christ and the prophecies - some of which
were stated thousands of years before coming to pass, and not rationally
predictable as the cute little examples you cite. There is no comparison.
Your story was well thought out, impeccably implemented, hugely hilarious
yet woefully inadequate.
When are you going to admit where this visceral disdain for "your"
perception of God comes from? - a perception which is terribly askew. Was it
mom? Dad? Gramma? I don't think it's your own - I think you are a
reactionary. That this is nothing original to your intellect but merely a
base emotional aversion to some religiously overbearing figure out of your
past - something I have intimated several times and which you always side step.
I *told* you in my mea culpa that I would still do this. BECAUSE I LIKE IT!
Bill
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