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Re: The god debate again... sigh (Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less?
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Wed, 29 Nov 2000 21:20:38 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes:
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Jon Kozan writes:

Digression:
I'm not attempting to argue the merits of the various perspectives on the
sequence of end-times events. Only to point out 2 prophicies that are
connected to them and that we have already witnessed.

Understood.  However, surely you must realize that these two prophecies
are sufficiently nebulous to curtail their predictive value?  I'm not trying
to sound petty, but to claim that Israel would return to its homeland at
some time to be named later isn't much of a prophecy, any more than
Nostradamus' alleged predictions about any number of vague far-future (for
him) events.  Further, the claim that we would be travelling more and more
isn't too convincing, either, and can either be dismissed outright as
speculative or can be defused as a projection based on empirical, earthly
information. I don't know that an increase in knowledge is too stirring, • either.
I appreciate your taking the time to respond, but I hope you can recognize
that someone not already convinced of a prophesy's predictive value would
not be convinced by these two (or, as far as I'm aware) any examples in
modern times.

Ha!
It's very easy to look back on something and say that it was easy to predict.
Hindsight is always 20-20 eh? You asked for 2 prophecies that the Bible has
made and I've given you them... Ok, so you don't like them, that doesn't make
them not true.
The problem with this logic is that it may work for one prophecy or 2
(remember, that's all you asked for)... The odds of being right once or twice
are pretty good for anyone.
But the thing you ignore with the Bible is that it's not one or 2, it's
hundreds of prophecies. The odds of them all coming true are truly frightening.

Perhaps to individualize the point is that *you* may want to re-consider your
own beliefs as more prophecies come true -- or you could just continue being
ignorant of Biblical prophecies. Ignorance is easy.  But many a skeptical but
honest searcher has found the claims of the Bible to be far more than just a
nice story (as Lar put it).

-Jon



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  Re: The god debate again... sigh (Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less?
 
(...) Agreed--they're not made false by my dislike, but neither are they made true by your assertion of them. In order for any prophesy to be given any value, it must have some specificity, otherwise you can simply say "well, it didn't happen yet, (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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  Re: The god debate again... sigh (Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less?
 
(...) Understood. However, surely you must realize that these two prophecies are sufficiently nebulous to curtail their predictive value? I'm not trying to sound petty, but to claim that Israel would return to its homeland at some time to be named (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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